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What is the Electoral College and how does it work?

ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS A VESTIGIAL REMNANT OF WHITE SUPREMACY

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David Millward
Fri 25 October 2024

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In 2016 Donald Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton but became president as a result of his winning a majority in the Electoral College.

It was the fifth time in the history of the United States that a president has won the Oval Office and lost the popular vote.

Regarded as an anachronism by critics, there have been an estimated 700 attempts to scrap the College or reform it.

The first was made by Alexander Hamilton, one of the College’s original architects in 1802 and the most recent was in 1969 when a constitutional amendment was given overwhelming backing by the House of Representatives, but talked out by opponents in the Senate.

When the amendment was finally brought before the Senate in 1979, it was backed by a majority of senators but fell short of the two-thirds majority needed for a constitutional amendment.
Where did it begin?

The Electoral College dates back to the Philadelphia Convention in 1787, which gathered to put together a constitution for the fledgling nation.

At the time no country directly elected its head of state, so handing the choice over to the popular vote would have been entering uncharted territory.

While some delegates felt that allowing the legislature to choose the president could pave the way to behind-the-scenes deals and corruption, the majority feared the consequences of handing the choice over to “the mob” who, it was argued, would know little about the qualities of the candidate.
How does it work?

The Electoral College was, in effect, a compromise, allowing the people to vote for “electors” who would make the choice on their behalf.

There are 538 members of the Electoral College – which means a presidential candidate must secure the backing of 270 electors.

States’ allocation of electors is based on population and, as a result of the 2020 census 13 states saw the size of its delegation change.


Texas gained two seats in the college. Five other states Colorado, Florida, Montana, North Carolina, and Oregon each gained one.

California, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia each lost one.
How are members chosen?

Members of the Electoral College are chosen by the nominee for president.

In reality they are chosen by the party campaign in co-operation with local activists.

To reduce the risk of electors going “rogue”, members of the College would be reliable party members with a track record of falling into line.

They meet in State Capitols on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December to cast their ballots.

The certified results are then sent to Washington where, on January 6, the votes are tallied in a joint session of Congress, presided over by the sitting vice-president.
How are the votes distributed?

Use our searchable tool to see how many votes each state receives.
What happened on Jan 6?

Until January 6 2021, the meeting of the Electoral College was regarded as a formality, with the vice-president presiding over the meeting where the votes were counted.

Richard Nixon in 1961 and Al Gore in 2001 found themselves in the position of formally ratifying the candidate who had defeated them for the presidency the previous November.

Mike Pence, who was both vice-president and Donald Trump’s running mate, was in the same position when a mob stormed the Capitol.

Had the mob succeeded in preventing Mr Pence from presiding over the count, the choice of president would have fallen to the congressional delegations, with each state getting one vote.

With the Republicans having a majority of state delegations, this would have led to Mr Trump returning to the White House.
Does my vote count?

Yes, with certain qualifications. It is an indirect election and candidates with a minority of the popular vote have won the presidency.

On five occasions the Electoral College system has resulted in the election of a candidate who did not receive the most popular votes in the election:

1800, 1824, 1876, 2000, and, most famously, and recently in 2016, when the Democratic candidate Hilary Clinton claimed 2.1 per cent more of the popular vote than Donald Trump, who, with 304 votes compared to 227, won the Electoral victory, and, therefore, his place in the White House.

These seven states will decide the election. Here’s what we learned reporting on the ground

Lauren Gambino, George Chidi, Chris McGreal, Maanvi Singh, Ed Pilkington, Joan E Greve and Alice Herman
THE GUARDIAN
Sat 26 October 2024

Election workers at the Maricopa county Tabulation and Election Center (MCTEC) in Phoenix, Arizona, on 23 October 2024.Photograph: Olivier Touron/AFP/Getty Images


Spare a thought for beleaguered Pennsylvanians. During the past few weeks, they have been pummeled with $280m worth of election ads blazing on their TV and computer screens, part of an eye-popping $2.1bn spent so far on the US presidential election.

Pennsylvania is one of the seven battleground states that, when it comes to choosing presidents, can seem as revered as the seven wonders of the world. Forget Democratic California, ditch reliably Republican Texas – it is these seven states that, come 5 November, will decide the outcome of one of the most consequential elections in modern times.

Their names are seared into the minds of politically aware Americans: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Under America’s arcane electoral system, the occupant of the Oval Office is elected not through the popular vote but by electoral college votes harvested state by state.


Among them, the seven states control 93 electoral college votes (Pennsylvania has the largest number, 19, which is why its residents are so bombarded). In the final days, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris and their running mates, JD Vance and Tim Walz, will be scrambling all over them in a bid to reach the magic number: 270 electoral college votes to win.

The states are called battlegrounds for a reason – their loyalty cannot be taken for granted by either side. This year, though, their unpredictability has reached dizzying heights. The Guardian’s presidential poll tracker shows five of them essentially tied within a three-point margin of error, with only Arizona (where Trump is up four points) and Wisconsin (where Harris is up five) pulling away. Nate Cohn, the New York Times’ polling expert, has drily noted that the presidential polls are “starting to run out of room to get any closer”.

Guardian reporters are on the ground in each of the seven battlegrounds to test these confounding waters.

– Ed Pilkington

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Arizona

‘Why isn’t Trump doing a little better here?’

On a stiflingly hot afternoon last month, Lynn and Roger Seeley relaxed into an air-conditioned co-working space in a suburb east of Phoenix. They had come to hear the Democratic candidate for US Senate, Ruben Gallego, make his pitch to a roomful of small-business owners. Lifelong Republicans, they might have felt out of place at a Democratic campaign event in the pre-Trump era. But not now.

“The Arizona Republican party is not the same Republican party,” said Lynn Seeley, who plans to vote for Kamala Harris in November. “It just doesn’t represent me anymore.”

The Seeleys are among a group of disaffected Arizonans known as “McCain Republicans” – moderates and independents who prefer the “maverick” brand of politics of the late Arizona Senator John McCain to Trump’s Maga movement.

The Trumpification of the state GOP, as well as rapid population growth, a large number of young Latino voters and a suburban shift away from the Republican party have created an opening for Democrats in recent election cycles, turning once ruby-red Arizona into a desert battleground.

Polling shows Donald Trump with a narrow edge over Harris in the presidential race. The Senate race, which is critical to the party’s slim hope of maintaining control of the chamber, appears to trend in Gallego’s favor. The state also features two of the most competitive House races in the country, both key to winning the speaker’s gavel. Arizonans are also voting on an initiative to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution.

Across the sprawling Phoenix region, one of the fastest-growing in America, Trump and Harris signs dot xeriscaped yards. But roughly a third of Arizonans are unaffiliated, and since Trump’s election in 2016 they have broken for Democrats in key statewide races.

In 2020, Trump lost the state by fewer than 11,000 votes, the narrowest of any margin. It was the first time a Democratic presidential candidate had won Arizona since Bill Clinton in 1996, and before then, it was Harry Truman in 1948.

“Arizona is not a blue state,” said Samara Klar, a professor of political science at the University of Arizona. “Arizona has had very high inflation rates, very high increases in the cost of living, and an increase in the cost of gas. It’s a border state during a border crisis. A Republican candidate should be cleaning up in Arizona. So the question is: why isn’t Trump doing a little better here?”

Lauren Gambino | Chandler, Arizona

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Georgia

Early voting hits records – but offers few clues

Mary Holewinski lives in Carrollton, Georgia, which is home turf for the far-right representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. But Holewinski is a Kamala Harris supporter and has a sign in her yard. It draws nasty looks, she said: “I’ve lost neighbor friends.”

Those tensions are ratcheting up, because the presidential election is already well under way in Georgia. More than 2 million Georgians - a quarter of its electorate - have already gone to the polls, setting early voting records each day.

Both Harris and Trump consider Georgia – no longer a stereotypical “deep south” state but one propelled by the economic and cultural clout of Atlanta - a crucial pickup. In 2020, the state went for Joe Biden by 11,780 votes

– and Trump has since been charged in an election interference case after calling Georgia’s secretary of state and asking him to “find” those 11,780 votes. A Georgia victory would represent belated validation for the former president.

The candidates may as well have leased apartments in Atlanta, for all the time they’re spending here. The difference between a Democrat winning 80% and 90% of their votes could be larger than the overall margin of victory.

But Georgia is no longer a state defined by Black and white voters. Asian and Latino population growth has changed the political landscape in suburban Atlanta, which helped drive the Biden victory here in 2020. And the conflict between conventional conservative Republicans and the Maga insurgency may also be determinative: suburban moderates in the Atlanta region turned against Trump in 2020, and he has done little since to win them back.

Still, while historically Democrats in Georgia have been more likely to vote early than Republicans, Trump has pointedly instructed his supporters to vote early in person in Georgia, and many appear to be doing just that.

“I could care less about whether you like him or not. It’s not a popularity contest,” said Justin Thompson, a retired air force engineer from Macon. “It’s what you got done. And he did get things done before the pandemic hit. And the only reason why he didn’t get re-elected was because the pandemic hit.”

George Chidi | Atlanta, Georgia

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Michigan

Turnout is key in state where many are angry over Gaza

The trade union official had much to say, but he wasn’t going to say it in public.

The leader of a union branch at a Michigan factory, he was embarrassed to admit that most of its members support Donald Trump – even though he’s also disparaging about what he saw as the Democratic party elite’s failure to put the interests of working people ahead of powerful corporations.

“I don’t want to disagree with the members in public because they have their reasons to do what they think is good for protecting their jobs,” he said. “I’ve tried to explain that they’re wrong but they don’t want to hear it.”

Like many in Michigan, he found himself torn: despairing of Trump yet not greatly enthused by Harris. A Rust belt state that once prospered from making cars, steel and other industrial products, Michigan lost many jobs to Mexico after the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) by Bill Clinton, an enduring source of resentment against the Democrats for some voters that helped Trump to power.

That goes some way to explain why opinion polls continue to have the two candidates neck-and-neck in Michigan, even though the Harris campaign is heavily outspending Trump here and appears to have a better ground game with more volunteers.

Turnout will be key: Trump won here by just 10,704 votes in 2016, then lost narrowly to Biden four years later. High on the list of demographic targets are Black voters in Michigan’s largest city, Detroit, whose low turnout in 2016 was a factor in Hillary Clinton’s defeat in the state. Harris is also targeting white suburban women, many of whom previously supported Trump but have cooled on him over abortion rights, his continued false claims of election fraud and his criminal convictions.

For all of that, the election in Michigan may be decided by events far away.

More than 100,000 Michigan Democrats, many of them from the state’s Arab American community around Detroit, abstained from supporting Biden in the Democratic primaries earlier this year because of his support for Israel’s war in Gaza. So far, Harris has not significantly wavered from Biden on the issue. With polls this close, it could be decisive if Harris loses a fraction of these voters.

Chris McGreal | Saginaw, Michigan

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Nevada

Is Harris or Trump better for the working class?

Urbin Gonzalez could have been working inside, in the air conditioning, at his regular job as a porter on the Las Vegas Strip. Instead, in the final days before the US election, he had chosen to go door-knocking in the 104F (40C) heat.

“I don’t care because I’m fighting for my situation,” said Gonzalez, dabbing the sweat from his neck. “All Trump wants to do is cut taxes for his buddies, for his rich friends, not for us. Not for workers … This is personal.”

While the US economy broadly bounced back from the pandemic, Nevada has lagged behind. Nearly a quarter of jobs here are in leisure or hospitality, and although the Las Vegas Strip, where Gonzalez works, is back to booming with tourists, unemployment in Nevada remains the highest of any US state, and housing costs have skyrocketed.

Both Trump and Harris have promised to turn things around: both have promised to eliminate federal income taxes on workers’ tips, and both have vowed to expand tax credits for parents – though their plans widely differ when it comes to the finer points.

Although Nevada has leaned Democratic in every presidential election since 2008, winning candidates have scraped by with slim margins. About 40% of voters don’t identify with either Democrats or Republicans, and although a growing number of Latino voters – who now make up 20% of the electorate – have traditionally backed Democrats, the party’s popularity is slipping.

The state, which has just six electoral votes, is notoriously difficult to accurately poll – in large part because the big cities, Reno and Las Vegas, are home to a transient population, many of whom work unpredictable shifts in the state’s 24/7 entertainment and hospitality industries. But many voters remember the days early in the Trump administration when costs were lower. “I think the economy was just better when Trump was president,” said Magaly Rodas, 32, while shopping at her local Latin market. Her husband, an electrician, has struggled to find work since the pandemic, while rent and other expenses have continued to climb. “What have the Democrats done for us in four years?”

Maanvi Singh | Las Vegas, Nevada

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North Carolina

A hurricane is a wild card that could depress turnout

Kim Blevins, 55, knows what it’s like to survive a disaster. She was locked inside her home without power for eight days when Hurricane Helene struck western North Carolina last month.

So when she uses the experience as a frame through which to view the impending election, she is not being frivolous. “If Trump doesn’t get in, it’s going to be worse than the hurricane,” she said.

“It’ll be world war three. Kamala Harris wants to make us a communist country and we can’t survive that. The illegals coming over the border, the inflation of food and gas prices, we can’t do that.”

Hurricane Helene has raised a critical challenge for Donald Trump.

It affected a rural mountainous region that is Trump’s natural base – some 23 out of the 25 stricken counties are majority-Maga. So any decline in turnout would most likely hurt him.

Trump needs to win North Carolina if he is to have an easy shot at returning to the White House. The state veers Republican, only voting for a Democratic president twice in recent times (Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Barack Obama in 2008). Trump took it in 2020 by just 75,000 votes.

Yet Harris has succeeded since she took over the Democratic mantle from Joe Biden in making this race neck-and-neck.

In the final stretch, Trump is focusing on getting his base of largely white rural voters to the polls, hurricane be damned. His campaign has been heartened by the first week of early voting, which has smashed all records, with Republicans almost matching Democrats in turnout. (In 2020 and 2016, Republicans lagged behind.)

On her side, Harris is waging an intense ground game, with hundreds of staffers fanning out across the state to squeeze out every vote. The thinking is that if Trump can be blocked in North Carolina, he can be stopped from regaining power.

For that to happen, Harris has to mobilize her broad tent of support, with special emphasis on women in the suburbs of Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham. She is also trying to shore up the male African American vote, which has shown some softness.

Not least, she is trying to tie Trump to Mark Robinson, the state’s Republican gubernatorial candidate. Robinson has described himself as a “Black Nazi”, and has been revealed to have made extreme racist remarks.

Ed Pilkington | Creston, North Carolina

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Pennsylvania

‘If we win Pennsylvania, we win the whole thing’

Pennsylvania provided one of the most enduring images of the fraught US election cycle: Donald Trump raising his fist to a crowd of supporters after a gunman attempted to end his life at a campaign rally in July. As Trump left the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania, with blood dripping from his ear, his supporters chanted: “Fight! Fight!”

Days later, Joe Biden withdrew from the presidential race, clearing the way for Kamala Harris to ascend to the Democratic nomination.

Both Trump and Harris have returned to Pennsylvania dozens of times since, confirming that the Keystone state could play a definitive role in the presidential race. “If we win Pennsylvania, we win the whole thing,” Trump said at a rally in Pennsylvania last month. “It’s very simple.”

As the fifth-most-populous US state, Pennsylvania has the most electoral votes of any of the battlegrounds. Much of the population is clustered around Philadelphia and smaller cities like Pittsburgh and Scranton, where Biden showed strength in 2020, but the more rural regions could play an outsized role in the election. White, blue-collar voters in these rural areas have sharply shifted away from Democrats in recent elections.

Some Democrats expected Harris to choose the popular governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, as her running mate, given his impressive ability to secure consistent victories in such a closely-contested state. Harris instead chose Tim Walz, the Minnesota governor, a decision that could come back to haunt her depending on the results in Pennsylvania.

In her bid to sway undecided voters, Harris has walked back some of her most progressive proposals from her 2020 presidential campaign – such as a ban on fracking, a major industry in Pennsylvania, on which she has now reversed her stance.

It could all come down to Pennsylvania. Tom Morrissey, a 67-year-old voter from Harleysville attending a Democratic campaign event last month, was optimistic . “We love the enthusiasm. It’s so important at this time,” Morrissey said. “We have to save democracy.”

Joan E Greve | Ambler, Pennsylvania

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Wisconsin

‘Let the anxiety wash over you and then refocus’

Wearing matching hats emblazoned with the words “Sauk County Democrats”, Deb and Rod Merritt, a retired couple from southern Wisconsin, joined the crowd to hear Barack Obama stump for Kamala Harris.

“We’re so apprehensive that the polls say they’re close,” said Rod Merritt.

Sauk county is one of a handful of Wisconsin counties that has flipped from Democrats to Republicans and back. It’s exactly the kind of place – a swing county in a swing state – that the campaigns are fighting over.

A midwestern state in the Great Lakes region known for dairy production, manufacturing and healthcare, Wisconsin is considered to be part of the “blue wall” – the states Democrats consistently won in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Trade unions historically helped drive voter turnout for Democrats, but a series of anti-labor laws passed under the Republican-controlled state government in 2011 dealt them a blow. Rural areas have increasingly turned to Republican candidates, leaving cities like Milwaukee – Wisconsin’s most racially diverse – and the liberal stronghold of Madison as Democratic bastions.

With the economy the top issue, it all comes down to turnout, with Republicans focusing on rural voters and young men, who have increasingly looked to conservative politics.

The Democrats, meanwhile, hope the closeness of the race – in which a half-million people have already voted – will mobilize volunteers. “In some ways, the most important thing is learning some breathing exercises so that you can let the anxiety wash through you – and then refocus on knocking on the next door,” said Ben Wikler, the chair of the Democratic party of Wisconsin.

Alice Herman | Madison, Wisconsin

Far-Right House Leader Calls on North Carolina to Pre-emptively Give Donald Trump Its Electoral Votes

Lizzie Hyman
PEOPLE
Fri, October 25, 2024

Rep. Andy Harris, chair of the House Freedom Caucus, proposed that the swing state's Republican-controlled legislature could hand their 16 Electoral College votes to Trump regardless of the election results




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Maryland Rep. Andy Harris has proposed that North Carolina deviate from the democratic voting process in the 2024 election by preemptively allocating the state’s presidential electors to former President Donald Trump, according to Politico.

At the Talbot County Lincoln Reagan Dinner on Thursday, Oct. 24, the chair of the far-right House Freedom Caucus, 67, asserted that it "makes a lot of sense" for North Carolina's Republican-controlled legislature to directly decide the winner, given the potential barriers to voting that some areas are facing amid the Hurricane Helene recovery efforts.

Related: Donald Trump Tells N.C. He 'Didn't Have to' Come See Hurricane Damage: 'I Could've Been on a Beautiful Beach'

"You statistically can go and say, 'Look, you got disenfranchised in 25 counties. You know what that vote probably would have been,' " the congressman said in conversation with MAGA operative Ivan Raiklin, who has endorsed a similar plan to ensure a Trump victory in North Carolina.

Rep. Harris continued by saying that the devastation from Hurricane Helene "would be — if I were in the legislature — enough to go, 'Yeah, we have to convene the Legislature. We can’t disenfranchise the voters.' "

Bill Clark/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty

While Rep. Harris acknowledged that it would appear to be "just a power play" if other states started allocating Electoral College votes before ballots had been counted, he argued that in North Carolina, "it’s legitimate."

"There are a lot of people that aren’t going to get to vote and it may make the difference in that state," he said.

In response to his comments when he was asked to elaborate, Harris issued a statement to Politico, writing, “As I’ve repeatedly said, every legal vote should be counted. I would hope everyone could agree that legal American voters whose lives were devastated by the recent storms should not be disenfranchised in the upcoming voting process.”

Related: Kamala Harris Slams Donald Trump for ‘Playing Games’ with Hurricane Misinformation: ‘I Fear He Lacks Empathy’


Bill Clark/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images Maryland Rep. Andy Harris, the chair of the House Freedom Caucus

Raiklin, 46, posted his exchange with Harris on Thursday night on X, writing, "Breaking! @freedomcaucus chairman @RepAndyHarrisMD at Talbot County Lincoln Reagan Dinner agrees that NC Speaker of the House @NCHouseSpeaker and the State Legislature should convene a joint session to allocate the electors on Nov 5 directly to ensure the franchise of 25 counties is restored."

Raiklin himself has raised concerns by positioning himself as a potential "secretary of retribution" in a future Trump administration. He has reportedly compiled a "Deep State Target List" of 350 individuals he considers enemies, and has promised to appoint "Constitutional sheriffs" to go after those enemies if Trump is elected and offer them "the maximum punishment for treason." (The Department of Justice says that treason can be punishable by death.)

Raiklin was the man who shared a two-page memo on X (then called Twitter) in December 2020 called "Operation Pence Card," which detailed a plan to have Vice President Mike Pence reject the certification of the 2020 election results. Trump retweeted the memo, and after the idea grew in popularity, Pence ultimately refused to participate.

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North Carolinians will play a key role in deciding the next president. The state is one of seven battlegrounds identified in the 2024 election, carrying a large prize of 16 Electoral College votes for the winner. Polls suggest that Kamala Harris has a chance at flipping the state blue, with Trump only an inch ahead in most surveys.

Republican draws criticism for call to bypass election in North Carolina

Moira Warburton
Fri, October 25, 2024 

Members of ReOpen Maryland hold a road rally procession calling for the re-opening for the state of Maryland amid the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, in Sailsbury, Maryland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Republican U.S. lawmaker this week suggested the storm-hit state of North Carolina should allocate its votes in the Electoral College to Republican Donald Trump before the Nov. 5 election has taken place, drawing criticism from Democrats.

Representative Andy Harris of Maryland, who chairs the hardline House Freedom Caucus, said in an exchange captured on video on Thursday that given the destruction caused in North Carolina by last month's Hurricane Helene, the state legislature should preemptively declare that Trump won the state's 16 Electoral College votes, to avoid "disenfranchised voters."

His comments were first reported by Politico.

North Carolina is one of seven battleground states expected to play a decisive role in determining whether Trump or Democrat Kamala Harris is the next U.S. president. Polls show Trump with a marginal lead in the state.

Democrats slammed Harris' suggestion.

"Voters decide elections, not far-right politicians," Viet Shelton, a spokesperson for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said in a statement.

"It's really important to understand the mainstream Republican goal - to make Donald Trump President whether or not he wins the election," Senator Chris Murphy said in a social media post.

Harris' campaign did not immediately return a request for comment.

Twice this century, Democrats have won the majority of the national popular vote without securing the 270 of the 538 Electoral College votes needed to win the White House: in 2000, when the U.S. Supreme Court declared Republican George W. Bush the election's winner and in 2016, when Trump was first elected.

(Reporting by Moira Warburton in Washington; Editing by Alistair Bell)

Freedom Caucus chair says he was taken out of context on legislature deciding presidential electors

BRIAN WITTE
Fri, October 25, 2024 



The chairman of the House Freedom Caucus said Friday that news reports quoting him as saying the North Carolina legislature could allocate the state’s presidential electors to Donald Trump before the votes are counted were based on a conversation that was “taken out of context.”

The comments from Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland had been made at a Republican Party dinner in an exchange with a pro-Trump activist who had given the keynote address. The activist suggested that legislatures in several states, including North Carolina, could convene on Election Day and allocate their state’s electors to Trump. The comments from the Thursday dinner in Maryland were first reported by Politico.

Harris, speaking after the speech, referenced the counties in western North Carolina that had sustained major damage from Hurricane Helene. In reaction to the activist's proposal, he said, “for North Carolina, that makes a lot of sense,” according to a video.

“I mean, you statistically can go and say: ’Hey, look, you’ve got disenfranchised in 25 counties. You know what that vote probably would have been, which would be, if I were in the legislature, enough to go: Yeah, we’ve got to convene the legislature, and we can’t disenfranchise the voters. But how do you make the argument in other states? I mean, otherwise, it looks like it’s just a power play,” Harris said.

“With North Carolina, I mean, it’s legitimate. I mean, there are a lot of people who aren’t going to get to vote, and it may make the difference in that state,” he said.

Such a maneuver doesn’t appear to be possible under current North Carolina law.

The state’s law on awarding presidential electors limits the General Assembly’s role to extenuating circumstances after an election if other steps in the process aren’t met. Any attempt by a legislature to subvert the will of the voters and promote an alternate slate of electors also appears to run afoul of the Electoral Count Act, passed by Congress after Trump attempted to stop certification of the 2020 presidential election.


People wait in line at the polling place at Black Mountain Library during the first day of early in-person voting, on Oct. 17, 2024, in Black Mountain, N.C. (AP Photo/Stephanie Scarbrough)

The offices of North Carolina Senate leader Phil Berger and House Speaker Tim Moore, both Republicans, did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Harris issued a statement Friday after his comments from the dinner drew widespread attention.

“Yesterday’s theoretical conversation has been taken out of context,” he said in a statement. “As I’ve repeatedly said, every legal vote should be counted."

He also said “voting is going well in western North Carolina."

There has been bipartisan agreement on the steps needed to improve voting access in the counties affected by Helene. The North Carolina State Board of Elections — made up of both Democratic and Republican members — unanimously approved a resolution earlier this month expanding opportunities for absentee ballot pickup and giving local boards more flexibility.

The Republican-controlled General Assembly passed legislation to expand those changes to the 25 affected counties. State lawmakers also passed a bill on Thursday that requires 13 mountain counties to have at least one early, in-person voting site for every 30,000 registered voters as soon as possible.

Early voting throughout the state, including in the areas hit hard by the hurricane, has been robust. The state elections board has repeatedly praised the efforts of local election workers to ensure that all voters are able to cast their ballots.

Asked for her reaction to Harris' comments, Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, said, "America deserves to have leaders who respect the importance of one of the pillars and foundations of our democracy, which is free and fair elections, and that they are not manipulated by elected leaders for the sake of their own political future or their own political strategy for how they themselves want to succeed.

"This has to be about what’s in the best interest of the American people.”

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Associated Press writers Gary Robertson and Makiya Seminera in Raleigh, North Carolina, contributed to this report.

"Power play": Freedom Caucus head urges North Carolina to grant Trump electoral college votes

Griffin Eckstein
SALON
Fri, October 25, 2024 

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A high-ranking Republican congressman outlined a scheme to preempt the will of voters and award North Carolina’s 16 electoral votes to former president Donald Trump before ballots are tallied in that state.

Maryland Rep. Andy Harris argued on Thursday that the devastation of Hurricane Helene in North Carolina, and the potential voting challenges in the deepest-red counties that remain, should push the state's legislature to award Trump their electoral college votes.

The chair of the far-right House Freedom Caucus, said that a plan to deliver Trump the state without an election “makes a lot of sense.”

“You statistically can go and say, ‘Look, you got disenfranchised in 25 counties. You know what that vote probably would have been,’” Harris argued. “Which would be — if I were in the Legislature — enough to go, ‘Yeah, we have to convene the Legislature. We can’t disenfranchise the voters.’”

The move was suggested during a Republican dinner in Talbot County, Maryland. Harris was responding to keynote speaker Ivan Raiklin’s plan to use GOP-controlled legislatures in multiple swing states to award electors to Trump regardless of election outcomes.



“It looks like just a power play,” Harris conceded about Raiklin’s scheme. “In North Carolina, it’s legitimate. There are a lot of people that aren’t going to get to vote and it may make the difference in that state.”

North Carolina Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry told Politico that he hadn’t heard about the plot, but dismissed the idea.
“It makes no sense whatsoever to prejudge the election outcome. And that is a misinformed view of what is happening on the ground in North Carolina, bless his heart,” McHenry said. “I’m confident we’ll have a safe and fair election in North Carolina, and then everyone that wishes to vote will have the opportunity.”

North Carolina has been in the cross-hairs of GOP operators since Hurricane Helene ravaged the area. Trump and his acolytes have spread the conspiracy theory that government officials are slow-walking recovery efforts in the area because of a supposed Republican bent. Officials on both sides of the aisle have debunked these claims repeatedly.

Fox News edited Trump’s rambling answers and false claims in barbershop interview, full video shows

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Brian Stelter and Liam Reilly, CNN
Thu, October 24, 2024 

The Fox News Channel’s recent segment about Donald Trump’s “surprise” visit to a barbershop in the Bronx resembled a campaign ad for the former president’s reelection.

Trump was seen taking questions and making small talk with Black and Hispanic barbershop customers and workers, some of whom were wearing “Make Barbers Great Again” shirts. The visit was part of “Fox & Friends” co-host Lawrence Jones’ ongoing barbershop interview series.

But the version of the visit shown on television was, to borrow a hairstyle metaphor, a crop cut. Fox edited out many of Trump’s rambling comments and false claims. Participants had to repeatedly follow up when Trump meandered away from the original point of their questions.

CNN reviewed a more complete video of the barbershop visit that was uploaded to Instagram on the day of Trump’s appearance in the Bronx and compared it to the segments that were shown on “Fox & Friends” on Monday.

Fox’s edits omitted numerous Trump tangents and exaggerations – a striking decision given Trump’s recent attacks on CBS newsmagazine “60 Minutes” for editing an interview with his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, earlier this month.

Trump’s complaints about “60 Minutes” center on an edit of Harris’ comment about the relationship between Israel and the United States. He has charged that CBS manipulated the Harris interview to “make her look better” and demanded that CBS release the unedited transcript of the interview, which CBS has declined to do.

Ironically, however, Fox edited several of Trump’s recent appearances on the network, including his visit to the barbershop. And some of the edits certainly make him look better.

The televised broadcast omitted Trump’s comments about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio. He told the barbershop customers that “they just dumped 50,000 people — 32,000 migrants from another country — in Springfield, Ohio. They don’t know what to do.” The actual number of migrants in Springfield is far lower, according to the city’s own data. The broadcast also left out Trump’s gross exaggerations about crime in Aurora, Colorado.

One of the most telling parts of the dialogue began when an audience member asked Trump about finding a way to eliminate federal taxes in the future. On Fox, Trump was shown immediately answering affirmatively: “There is a way.”

But that response from Trump actually came more than seven minutes later, after Trump (and Jones) brought up other topics, including inheritances, the Keystone Pipeline, Ronald Reagan, Russia, and transgender sports players. Trump had to be nudged back on track several times by the unnamed audience member, who kept circling back, apologetically, and said “I wasn’t able to finish my question.” After he repeated his tax inquiry yet again, Trump said “there is a way.”

But on Fox, it was stitched together as one seamless back-and-forth.

Fox also cut some of the former president’s insults, as when he mocked the Wall Street Journal, a sister property of Fox. “Don’t listen” to the “Wall Street jerks or Wall Street Journal, cause they don’t get it,” Trump told the barbershop audience.

In another unplayed portion of the visit, Trump praised Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban and called him a “very respected guy.” That exchange underscored Trump’s tendency to favor autocratic leaders, but Fox decided not to share it with viewers.

A Fox News spokeswoman said every one of Jones’ barbershop segments are pretaped and edited. The Bronx edition ran for nearly an hour and was cut for time and clarity, the network said.

Trump’s recent appearance on the Fox News program “MediaBuzz” was also pretaped and edited. One obvious edit occurred when Trump began to repeat his false claims about the 2020 election – a sensitive subject for Fox since the network is still dealing with defamation lawsuits relating to its coverage in 2020.

“They came down to protest a rigged election,” Trump said, referring to January 6. Then there was a sudden cut, suggesting that some of Trump’s distortions were removed.


Opinion: Donald Trump's Joe Rogan interview was a brain-rotted waste of 3 hours

“The wind drives whales crazy. … I want to be a whale psychiatrist.”

Bill Goodykoontz, 
Arizona Republic
Sat, October 26, 2024 


Have you ever been in a bar or restaurant and overheard two people who clearly don’t have any idea what they’re talking about, but they just keep talking anyway? And the dumber it gets, the louder it gets? And eventually the shrimp just isn’t that tasty anymore?

That’s what it was like listening to “The Joe Rogan Experience” Friday night, when Rogan released his much-ballyhooed interview with Donald Trump, recorded earlier in the day. It was bad, and it wouldn’t end.

What a waste of three hours.

I thought Rogan might challenge Trump, whom he has criticized before. Maybe make him defend some of his more indefensible positions, or at least try to. Every now and then he did, a little. But mostly Rogan would just bring up a topic, Trump would start talking and Rogan would let him go, unchallenged.

It's part of both Trump and Kamala Harris' efforts to use non-traditional forms of media to court voters — and to attract young male voters in particular. Trump recently held a rally at Arizona State University's Mullett Arena, for instance. It may seem like a sliver of the electorate, but in a historically close race (if you believe the polls), every little bit helps, in theory.
Trump wants to be a 'whale psychiatrist,' um, and also president

They discussed, among other things, how bull riders occasionally die, aspects of concrete and the effects of wind on whales.

“What is happening with the whales?” Rogan asked as Trump disparaged windmills, an alternative form of energy

“The wind drives whales crazy. … I want to be a whale psychiatrist.”

He also wants to be president, and he hit on several of his campaign’s greatest hits. He disparaged Harris’ intelligence, praised tariffs (“To me the most beautiful word … in the dictionary today is the word tariff. It’s more beautiful than love. It’s more beautiful than anything”) and, why not, once again falsely claimed that he won the 2020 election.

“I don’t want to get you in any disputes, but I won that election so easy,” Trump said, referring to the election he lost to President Joe Biden.

“I want to talk to you about that,” Rogan said, which, in this conversation, amounted to pushback. He did ask Trump why none of his claims of election fraud held up in court, but Trump just fell back on the usual complaints about a bad court system.
'This show is too valuable to talk about concrete' and yet

Perhaps the best quote from the entire thing, from Trump: “This show is too valuable to talk about concrete.”

I’m not sure that’s true.

Honestly, it’s kind of hard to describe what it was really like, slogging through the whole thing, just a marathon of mediocrity. Imagine a Trump rally, only if Trump was more energetic than he has been lately, with someone onstage echoing him. Even if Rogan asked Trump to explain himself, however gently, he didn't stay with it too long.

Trump told Rogan at one point forest fires could be prevented if they just raked the forest floor.

“Could you really rake the whole forest though?” Rogan asked. “I don't think you could rake the whole forest.”

And that’s the kind of tough questioning that gets you nearly 15 million listeners on Spotify alone.
Trump and Rogan seemed delighted with each other

The two seemed delighted with each other’s company, just a couple of bros talking trash between compliments and praise for MMA fighting. Just two people who cut from the same reality-show cloth, where they found big audiences and somehow became important.



“Did you just assume that because people loved you on ‘The Apprentice’ they were going to love you as a president?” Rogan asked at one point.

“Well, I was thinking it would be so easy,” Trump said.

“Well it probably would have been if the media didn’t attack you the way they did, if they didn’t conflate you with Hitler. … They love to take things out of context and distort things,” Rogan said.

“They don’t even have to,” Trump said. “They make them up entirely.”

“They do that, too,” Rogan said.

And so it went.

Another hard-hitting question from Rogan: “How are you so healthy? Is it golf?”

“No,” Trump said, “it’s genetics, I believe.” Of course he does.

Opinion: Trump's rhetoric empowered haters

They didn't cut through the noise. They amplified it

Somewhere someone is listening to this podcast and saying, finally. Just a couple of guys with some real talk. Except that it wasn’t. It was two guys surprisingly sympathetic to one another in a three-hour marathon meeting of the mutual appreciation society.

They didn’t cut through the noise. They amplified it. Rogan said at one point that while Harris has said she won’t appear on his show, he hopes she still will. It would be interesting from the standpoint of comparing how he talks to her and how he talked to Trump.

Interesting from the listener’s point of view, at least. From her perspective, why bother?

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This article originally appeared on Arizona Republic: Opinion: Donald Trump's Joe Rogan interview? Don't bother

Joe Rogan Quizzes Trump On Election Fraud Claims: 'Give Me Some Examples'

Hilary Hanson
Sat, October 26, 2024 


Podcaster Joe Rogan pressed former President Donald Trump on Friday about his false claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him.

“You’ve said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020,” said Rogan, who hosts the popular and controversial “Joe Rogan Experience.”

“How do you think you were robbed?” he continued.

Trump tried to pivot.

“Well, what I’d rather do is, we’ll do it another time,” said the Republican, who’s now seeking to retake the White House. “And I would bring in papers that you would not believe. So many different papers. That election was so crooked. It was the most crooked election.”

Rogan tried to extract more specifics:

Rogan: OK, but give me some examples of how.

Trump: Well, let’s start on the top and the easy ones. They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn’t get it. In many cases, they didn’t get it.

Rogan: What things?

Trump: Anything.

Rogan: Legislative approval of?

Trump: Like for extensions of the voting, for voting earlier, for this — all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals. You don’t have to go any further than that.

Trump’s claim about legislative approvals is seemingly related to an argument from some Republicans that state officials changed certain election procedures in 2020 without proper authorization. In 2021, the fact-checking site PolitiFact called this a “flawed argument” in a detailed explainer on the legal issues involved.

Speaking to Rogan, Trump went on: “If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed and stolen. They wouldn’t give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren’t signed. They weren’t originals. They were — we could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots, or we could go into the overall.”

In 2021, a nonpartisan audit of Wisconsin’s 2020 election found that although some absentee ballots had only partial witness signatures, the vote was — in the words of a GOP leader on the state Legislature’s Audit Committee — “largely safe and secure.” Only eight ballots were missing a witness signature altogether, and only three were missing a voter signature.



“Are you going to present this ever?” Rogan asked Trump, to which the Republican responded, “Uh.”

That exchange swiftly made it into social media posts from the Democratic campaign of Trump’s 2024 rival, Vice President Kamala Harris.

“Do you think, like — ” Rogan then started to ask, before Trump cut him off.

“Let me give you just one more,” he said. Trump then asserted that controversy around a laptop owned by Democrat Joe Biden’s son ― and false speculation by intelligence officials that stories about the laptop could be Russian disinformation ― significantly swayed the 2020 election in Biden’s favor.

Rogan’s three-hour conversation with Trump delayed a Michigan rally for the Republican, leaving his supporters waiting in the cold for him to appear.



Trump pushes false election claims, 'weaves' from topics during Joe Rogan interview

LALEE IBSSA , SOO RIN KIM, KELSEY WALSH and IVAN PEREIRA
Sat 26 October 2024


Former President Donald Trump used his appearance on "The Joe Rogan Experience" to push false claims about the 2020 election, bash his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, and attack his former White House staff.

The episode, which went live Friday night, likely reached one of the biggest podcast audiences in the country, with over 15.7 million followers on Spotify. Trump's interview caused a three-hour delay at a planned rally in Michigan Friday night.

PHOTO: In these screen grabs from a video, Joe Rogan interviews Republican presidential nominee former President Donald Trump during The Joe Rogan Experience podcast, on Oct. 25, 2024. (The Joe Rogan Experience)

With just over a week to go until November's election, Trump continued to spread doubts about the election results, slammed secure voting practices, such as mail-in voting and voting machines, and doubled down on his false beliefs that he won the 2020 presidential election.

"You had old-fashioned ballot screwing," Trump told Joe Rogan, making unfounded claims about unsigned ballots and "phony votes."

Rogan compared the label of election denialist to the labeling of anti-vaxxer, with Trump railing against mail-in voting despite telling his supporters to go out and vote however they want.


PHOTO: Republican presidential nominee former President Donald Trump speaks during an interview on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast, on Oct. 25, 2024. (The Joe Rogan Experience )

When Rogan asked Trump why he didn't publish comprehensive evidence of alleged voter fraud in 2020, the former president got combative, falsely claiming he did and argued he lost the election because judges "didn't have what it took."

When Rogan brought up Democrats and Harris labeling him a fascist, Trump shot back.

"Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very low IQ," the former president said.

Trump, who has come under fire after former Chief of Staff John Kelly said in interviews that Trump praised Nazi generals, told Rogan he had an affinity for Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. "He took a war that should have been over in a few days, and it was, you know, years of hell of vicious war," Trump said.

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The unedited episode was more of a conversation than an interview as Rogan asked Trump to reminisce on his political arch and let him ramble about various topics from the environment to the economy to health care.

However, in the freeform format, even Rogan got lost at times.

"Your weave is getting wide. I wanna get back to tariffs," Rogan said at one point.

Trump referenced his style of talking at a rally in August, calling it "the weave."

"I'll talk about like, nine different things and they all come back brilliantly together," he said at the time.

PHOTO: Joe Rogan interviews Republican presidential nominee former President Donald Trump on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast, on Oct. 25, 2024. (The Joe Rogan Experience)

On the Rogan podcast, Trump defended his own age and cognitive acuity while attacking President Joe Biden's cognitive ability.

"Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old – that's not an age. I think they say it because I'm three or four years younger, you know? I think that's why they say it. They say his age. It's not his age. He's got a problem," Trump said.

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While talking about the first presidential debate between Trump and Biden, Rogan floated a disproven conspiracy theory that Democrats wanted the debate to happen earlier than usual to get Biden out of the race.

Trump acknowledged it but disagreed, saying, "I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out," referring to Biden.

PHOTO: Republican presidential nominee, former President Donald Trump, arrives for a campaign rally at Avflight at Cherry Capital Airport on Oct. 25, 2024, in Traverse City, Michigan. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images)

Toward the end of the podcast, Rogan asked Trump about extraterrestrial life and if Trump believed in aliens to which the former president went on to say there may be life on Mars.

"Mars, we've had probes there and rovers, and I don't think there's any life there," Rogan pushed back.

"Maybe it's life that we don't know about," Trump retorted.

Trump pushes false election claims, 'weaves' from topics during Joe Rogan interview originally appeared on abcnews.go.com


Fact check: 32 false claims Trump made to Joe Rogan

Daniel Dale, CNN
Sun 27 October 2024 

Donald Trump sat down Friday with prominent podcast host Joe Rogan for a conversational interview that ran for nearly three hours — and the former president delivered his standard bombardment of false claims, at least 32 in all.

Many of those false claims are lies that were debunked months or even years ago. The claims spanned a variety of topics, including immigration policy, environmental and energy policy, the legitimacy of the 2020 election, Trump’s record in office, Vice President Kamala Harris, crowd sizes, and how schools deal with transgender children.

Here is a fact check of 32 false claims Trump made to Rogan. This is not intended as a complete list of the inaccurate statements Trump uttered in the interview; with just over a week to go until Election Day, we were unable to look into every dubious assertion he made.
Immigration

Migrants and murderers: Trump repeated his frequent false claim that “we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.” In reality, as the Department of Homeland Security and independent experts have noted, that official figure is about immigrants with homicide convictions in the US today who entered the country over decades, including during Trump’s own administration, not over the past three years or under the Biden administration. You can read more here.

Trump’s border wall: The former president falsely claimed, “You know, I built 570 miles of wall.” That’s a significant exaggeration; official government data shows 458 miles were built under Trump — including both wall built where no barriers had existed before and wall built to replace previous barriers.

Harris’ border role: Trump repeated a regular false claim about Harris: “She was in charge of the border.” She was not and is not; Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is the Biden administration official in charge of border security. In reality, President Joe Biden gave Harris a more limited immigration-related assignment in 2021, asking her to lead diplomacy with El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras in an attempt to address the conditions that prompted their citizens to try to migrate to the United States.

The number of migrants: Trump claimed that at least “21 million” people have illegally crossed the border during the Biden administration. Through September, the country had recorded under 11 million nationwide “encounters” with migrants during the Biden administration, including millions who were rapidly expelled from the country; even adding in so-called gotaways who evaded detection, estimated by House Republicans as being roughly 2 million, there’s no way the total is “21 million.”
Elections, campaigns and crowds

The outcome of the 2020 election: Trump repeated his lie that he won the 2020 election, falsely claiming, “I won that second election so easy.” He lost, fair and square, to Biden, who beat Trump 306-232 in the Electoral College and earned over 7 million more votes than Trump.

The legitimacy of the 2020 election: Trump made various specific false assertions about the 2020 election, claiming it was “crooked”; that his opponents cheated using the guise of the Covid-19 pandemic; and, vaguely, that it was marred by “old-fashioned ballot-screwing.” All of this is baseless.

Polling in 2016: Trump told a story about how, he said, a Washington Post/ABC News poll of Wisconsin during his 2016 race against Hillary Clinton showed him “down 17 points the day before the election,” but he knew it was wrong because of the size of his crowds, and he ended up winning the state: “I was down 17 points in Wisconsin and I won; it’s crooked stuff.” This story is false; the poll showing him down 17 the week of the election came during his 2020 race against Biden, and he lost Wisconsin that year — though by less than one percentage point.

The 2020 election and Wisconsin: Trump falsely claimed, “If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed and stolen.” This did not happen, “virtually” or otherwise; while some Wisconsin Republicans certainly support Trump’s claim that the election was rigged and stolen, the state’s elections authorities have not made such assertions — and as PolitiFact previously reported, even Republican-led election reviews did not find that Trump won the state.

An election ruling in Virginia: Trump falsely claimed that, just before he walked in for the Friday interview, there was a ruling in a legal “case where they found thousands of illegal ballots.” This case did not involve “illegal ballots”; rather, a judge ruled that Virginia had purged voter registrations from its rolls too close to Election Day. You can read more here.

Grocery stores and identification: Calling for strict voter identification laws, Trump spoke of how identification is required in other circumstances, saying, “When you go to a grocery store, you give ID.” This was a little vaguer than his previous declarations that “you need” ID to buy groceries, but it’s nonsense nonetheless; few grocery shoppers are required to provide identification unless they are paying by check or buying alcohol, tobacco or certain medications.

A Carter commission and mail-in ballots: Trump repeated his false claim that a commission led by former President Jimmy Carter published a report whose “primary finding was you cannot have mail-in ballots.” Trump added, “The one thing with Jimmy Carter: He had a very strong commission. It was, no mail-in ballots.”

Though the commission Carter co-chaired was generally skeptical of mail-in ballots, calling absentee voting “the largest source of potential voter fraud,” it did not say, “You cannot have mail-in ballots,” as Trump claimed. In fact, its report highlighted an example of successful mail-only elections — noting that Oregon, a state that has been conducting elections by mail-in voting since the late 1990s, “appears to have avoided significant fraud in its vote-by-mail elections by introducing safeguards to protect ballot integrity, including signature verification.”

The report also offered some recommendations for making the use of mail-in ballots more secure and called for “further research on the pros and cons” of voting by mail (as well as early voting).

Trump’s Las Vegas crowd size: In his latest exaggeration about crowd sizes, Trump claimed there were “29,000 people” at his event the night prior. His rally Thursday night, in Las Vegas, was at an arena with a capacity under 19,000.

Trump’s McDonald’s crowd size: Trump falsely claimed that there were “28,000 people sitting around” the McDonald’s in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where he held a publicity event last weekend in which he briefly performed some of the duties of an employee (the restaurant was closed to the public). This is fiction; while videos show there was a substantial pro-Trump crowd gathered in the vicinity of the restaurant, it is obvious that it didn’t approach 28,000. A local journalist on the scene, Tom Sofield, the publisher of Bucks County news outlets, wrote on social media Tuesday: “There were several thousand excited supporters nearby, but the figure wasn’t 25,000, as stated by the former president later.”

Harris’ schedule: Trump, criticizing Harris’ work ethic, falsely claimed she “took off yesterday” and “took off the day before,” and also that “she’s going to take off tomorrow or the next day.” Trump is entitled to argue that Harris isn’t campaigning hard, but she was not “off” or scheduled to be off any of these days. On Wednesday, she participated in a CNN town hall in Pennsylvania; on Thursday, she held a rally in Georgia; on Friday, she held a rally in Texas; on Saturday, she held a rally in Michigan; on Sunday, she is scheduled to make a series of campaign stops in Philadelphia.
Foreign policy

Trump and ISIS: Repeating one of his regular false claims, Trump said, “We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years, and we did it in a matter of weeks.” The ISIS “caliphate” was declared fully liberated more than two years into Trump’s presidency.

Obama and Kim Jong Un: Trump, touting his relationship with Kim Jong Un, revived his old false claim that the North Korean leader refused to meet with Barack Obama when the then-president sought a meeting: “They wouldn’t meet Obama. He (Obama) tried to meet. They wouldn’t even talk to him about it.”

There is no evidence that Obama ever sought a meeting with Kim. Independent experts on North Korea and former Obama officials told CNN in 2019 that the claim is fictional.

Who pays tariffs: Trump repeated his frequent false claim that, through tariffs, “I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China.” US importers make the tariff payments, not China, and study after study has found that Americans bore the overwhelming majority of the cost of Trump’s tariffs on China.

Previous presidents and tariffs on China: Trump repeated his frequent false claim that no previous president had imposed tariffs on Chinese imports, saying, “Nobody took in 10 cents, not one other president.” The US was actually generating billions per year in revenue from tariffs on Chinese imports before Trump took office; in fact, the US has had tariffs on Chinese imports since 1789. Trump’s predecessor, Obama, imposed additional tariffs on Chinese goods.

China and Taiwan: Trump repeated an exaggeration about China: “The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan — 28 bombers.”

Trump was wrong about key details of this incident. On the third and fourth days of the Biden presidency, not the day Trump left office, China sent military planes into Taiwan’s air defense identification zone over the Taiwan Strait — not “over the middle of Taiwan,” a major difference. Also, the incident involved 28 Chinese planes but not “28 bombers.” The New York Times reported at the time that the Taiwanese military said eight Chinese bombers were involved; the other planes were fighters, anti-submarine aircraft and a reconnaissance plane.

And it’s worth noting that China also sent planes into Taiwan’s air defense identification zone during Trump’s presidency. In early 2021, Taiwan News reported that, according to a recent report funded by Taiwan’s government, “In 2020, the Chinese military violated Taiwan’s air defense identification zone (ADIZ) more times than in any year since 1996.”
Environment and energy

Global warming and sea level rise: Trump repeated a regular false claim minimizing the threat of climate change: “I watch these poor fools talking about, ‘Our oceans will rise one-eighth of an inch over the next 500 years.’” The global average sea level is rising more per year than Trump claimed that unnamed concerned people say it will rise over 500 years; NASA reported in March that the global average sea-level rise in 2023 was 0.17 inches per year, more than double the rate in 1993.

Electric vehicle charging stations: Trump falsely claimed that the Biden administration spent $9 billion on just eight electric vehicle charging stations: “They built the charger stations, right, in the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost $9 billion.”

As FactCheck.org and others have noted, Trump was distorting news articles about the slow pace at which $7.5 billion in federal funds allocated for electric charging have been spent. The articles reported that, as of March, only eight charging stations had been built under the program (not all in the Midwest). The articles did not say that these stations had themselves cost the entire $7.5 billion, let alone $9 billion.

The number of charging stations built with this federal funding has increased since March. The Federal Highway Administration told USA Today that, as of October 11, 20 stations had been built with the money, with plans underway for more than 800 additional stations.

California and electricity: Trump, reviving his false claim about the stability of the electric system in California, said, “They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend.” California does not have “brownouts every weekend.” A spokesperson for Gov. Gavin Newsom told CNN in late August that the state had not had any outages because of electricity demand since 2020, and a spokesperson for the entity that manages the power grid for about 80% of the state said the same.

A LNG plant in Louisiana: Trump revived a false claim he repeatedly made during his presidency, claiming that he “instantly” secured a key environmental permit to allow for the construction of a massive liquefied natural gas facility in Louisiana after the initiative had been on hold “for 14 years.” In fact, this facility was granted its key permits under the Obama administration, and its construction also began under Obama.

Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve: Trump repeated his false claim that before the Biden administration suspended oil and gas leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in 2021, “They were getting ready to start drilling. … It was all set to go.”

“To quote our friends at PolitiFact, what Trump said in this case qualifies as ‘pants on fire,’” Pavel Molchanov, an energy analyst at Raymond James & Associates, said last year after Trump made the same claim. Molchanov said, “No one was ready to start drilling there, in 2017 or at any other point in time.”

There is no drilling infrastructure in place in the refuge; major oil companies have shown little interest in the site; and the seven leases the Biden administration eventually canceled were all held by the Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority, a state entity that is not an oil company.
Trump’s record and history

Trump’s response to “lock her up” chants: Trump repeated his false claim that he “never said” the words “lock her up” when his supporters chanted that refrain about his 2016 Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton. He added, “I’d always go, ‘Take it easy. Just relax.’” In fact, Trump repeatedly said the words “lock her up” in both 2016 and 2020, and he also repeatedly called for Clinton’s imprisonment using other language.

Trump and Oprah: Trump repeated a false claim he has been making for at least 11 years, saying he appeared on Oprah Winfrey’s popular television program during “one of her last shows” in “that final week.” In fact, Trump appeared about three and a half months before Winfrey’s show concluded, not during its star-studded final week.

Trump’s tax cuts: Repeating another regular false claim, the former president claimed that he signed the “biggest tax cuts in history.” Independent analyses have found that his tax-cut law was not the biggest in history, either in percentage of gross domestic product or in inflation-adjusted dollars.

Supreme Court appointments: Trump touted the fact that he appointed three Supreme Court justices, then said, “Most people get none,” adding that “even if a president is in there for eight years, oftentimes they never have a chance.” This is false; no president who served for eight years did not get a chance to appoint a single Supreme Court justice. Only four presidents didn’t get a chance to appoint one justice to the Supreme Court, as PolitiFact previously reported, and three of them served for less than a full four-year term, while the other, Carter, served for four years.

Trump’s uncle and MIT: Trump repeated a false claim that his uncle John Trump, whom he has repeatedly invoked as evidence of the smarts of his family, was the “longest-serving” professor in the history of the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology. John Trump was one of the longest-serving professors at MIT, but not the very longest; the school told Newsweek early this year that at least 10 other people were on the faculty for longer.
Miscellaneous

Schools and transgender children: Trump repeated his false claim that schools are sending children for gender-affirming surgeries without parental consent: “Who would want to have — there’s so many — the transgender operations: Where they’re allowed to take your child when he goes to school and turn him into a male — to a female — without parental consent.”

There is no evidence that schools in any part of the United States have sent children for gender-affirming surgeries without their parents’ approval, or performed unapproved such surgeries on-site; none of that is “allowed” anywhere in the country. Even in the states where gender-affirming surgery is legal for people under age 18, parental consent is required before a minor can undergo such a procedure.

Trump’s own campaign has not been able to find a single example of this ever having happened anywhere in the United States. You can read more here.

Alyssa Farah Griffin: Trump told a thoroughly false story about a former official in his administration, Alyssa Farah Griffin, who is now a co-host of the ABC talk show “The View” and a political commentator on CNN. Trump claimed Griffin worked in the administration as “like an assistant press secretary”; that, upon leaving the administration, she “writes me this gorgeous letter,” “the most beautiful letter,” declaring “he was the greatest president”; but then, upon joining “The View,” that she suddenly started “hitting the hell out of me” with criticism.

This is untrue in several ways.

Griffin had the top-tier role of White House communications director and assistant to the president upon her resignation in late 2020, not “assistant press secretary” (she had previously been Pentagon press secretary and Vice President Mike Pence’s press secretary).

Griffin did issue a statement upon her resignation saying, “It’s been the honor of a lifetime to serve in the Trump administration over the last three and a half years,” but did not say that Trump was “the greatest president.” She said Saturday that she has never written Trump a private letter.

And she began sharply criticizing Trump shortly after the riot at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, not when she started guest-hosting “The View” in October 2021 or when she was named a permanent co-host in August 2022.

Abraham Lincoln’s sons: Trump told a story about how President Abraham Lincoln was a “very depressed” person in part because he lost his son “whose name was Tad.” Trump repeated later in the story that Lincoln lost his son “Tad.” In fact, Tad Lincoln outlived Abraham Lincoln by six years; the son Abraham Lincoln lost in 1862 was Willie. (This appeared to be an inadvertent mistake by Trump, but his claim was still inaccurate, and Trump has repeatedly bashed Biden over such mix-ups.)
NO ENDORSEMENT

Donald Trump Practically Demands Joe Rogan To Endorse Him

Kelly Coffey-Behrens
THE BLAST
Sat, October 26, 2024
Former President Donald Trump recorded a nearly three-hour episode of "The Joe Rogan Experience" on Friday, taking his message to the nation's most-listened-to podcast.

Naturally, the two aren’t unfamiliar with each other—Trump and Rogan have crossed paths at UFC events on multiple occasions over the years, as Trump is a frequent attendee. The appearance on Rogen's podcast comes as Trump aims to expand his reach among young male voters—a demographic in which Rogan holds considerable influence.

In typical rally-style, Donald Trump’s conversation with Joe Rogan touched on a mix of topics, ranging from his appearance on "The View" during his first campaign, hosting "The Apprentice," and even UFOs and dead whales.

Donald Trump Wanted A Public Endorsement From Joe Rogan


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Trump made his long-awaited debut on "The Joe Rogan Experience" Friday night, and from the looks of it, the former president wasn’t about to leave without securing a public endorsement—right then and there!

Trump flaunted his "nicest endorsement" from Elon Musk before nudging Rogan with, "You should do the same thing, Joe."

The relentless former President of the United States pressed Rogan, dismissing any chance of him supporting Kamala Harris, even joking, "You're a Khabib [Nurmagomedov] person, but you're not a Kamala person," which earned a genuine laugh from Rogan, referencing the UFC superstar.

Despite Trump’s persistent urging, Rogan didn’t commit to endorsing him—at least, not yet—and notably didn’t rule out the possibility down the line.
Donald Trump Reveals The ‘Biggest Mistake’ He Made During His First-Term

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According to Trump, in his conversation with Rogan, he expressed regret over certain appointments made during his first term:

"The one question that you'll ask me that I think you'll ask me that people seem to ask -- and I always come up with the same answer – if I, the one mistake because I had a lot of success, great economy, great, everything was great with the military rebuilt the biggest tax cuts in history, all the stuff we did, we had a great presidency.

Three Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young this way. They're there for 50 years. Right. So, you know, even if a president is there for eight years, oftentimes they never have a chance. I had three. It was the luck of the draw."

But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people, I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked."

Rogan chimed in, "And neocons," to which Trump immediately followed up, "Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people."

Joe Rogan Has Previously Said Donald Trump Is Not A Dictator


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On a September 11, 2024, episode, Rogan remarked that Trump’s first term in office wasn’t as extreme as many had initially feared it might be.

"Everyone's saying he's going to be a dictator. Well, he wasn't a dictator. He was the president," Rogan said at the time. "He actually was the president for four years and the economy really did well and he really did try to cut some of the bullsh-t down that's going on in this country."

However, Rogan noted that voters seemed to wrestle more with Trump’s personality than with his policies, telling his listeners, "We don't necessarily want that as the guy with his finger on the button."
Joe Rogan Previously Declined To Interview Donald Trump

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Back in July 2022, Rogan openly shared that he had turned down multiple chances to interview Trump, making it clear he was “not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form.”


“I’ve had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once—I’ve said no every time. I don’t want to help him. I’m not interested in helping him,” Rogan stated firmly.

In that same episode, Rogan speculated that Trump would end up running “against a dead man,” a pointed reference to President Joe Biden, who was widely expected to be the Democratic candidate.
Joe Rogan Says Donald Trump 'Might Be A Sociopath'

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In a September 2023 episode featuring Bill Maher, Rogan seemed to present Biden and Trump as equally flawed—a comparison Maher strongly rejected.

"He might be crazy," Rogen said. "He might be a sociopath."

Why Joe Rogan Is Being Dubbed A 'Coward' After Hosting Donald Trump On Podcast

Kelly Coffey-Behrens
THE BLAST
Sat, October 26, 2024 


On Friday night, former president Donald Trump finally made his much-anticipated debut on Joe Rogan's podcast, "The Joe Rogan Experience," and it seemed the former president had his sights set on securing a public endorsement before the episode wrapped.

The 45th President of the United States brought up his "nicest endorsement" from Elon Musk before urging Rogan, "You should do the same thing, Joe."

Despite Donald Trump’s repeated encouragement, Joe Rogan stopped short of an endorsement—and he is now being labeled a "coward."

Donald Trump Appears on Joe Rogan's Podcast

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The three-hour interview between Republican presidential nominee Trump and Rogan, America’s top podcaster, has finally dropped.

In their expansive conversation, Trump touches on topics ranging from the “biggest mistake” of his time in the White House to his interactions with North Korea’s leader and even speculations on extraterrestrial life.

Notably, Rogan once labeled Trump “an existential threat to democracy” and declined multiple invitations to host him. However, the two appeared on friendly terms during Friday’s chat, bonding over their shared interest in the "Ultimate Fighting Championship" and mutual friends like Elon Musk.

#JoeRoganIsACoward Trends On X

At one point, Trump joked, "You're a Khabib [Nurmagomedov] person, but you're not a Kamala person," drawing a genuine laugh from Rogan as he referenced the UFC icon and attempted to get an endorsement from Rogan. Though, it wasn't enough because Rogan never actually endorsed the former president.

Following the release of the podcast episode, social media users took to X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, using the hashtag #JoeRoganIsACoward to express their feelings.

"History will be remembered by who stood by and did nothing. #joeRoganisacoward," one user said.

"Hilarious how many pro Trump guys Rogan has had on his podcast," another began. "You would’ve thought he’d come prepared or at LEAST give a descent follow up question. Congrats Joe, you played yourself, and you are no worse than #foxnews #JoeRoganIsACoward."

"Let’s get it trending," another said, adding the hashtag #JoeRoganIsACoward.
Joe Rogan Previously Declined To Interview Donald Trump


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While Rogan has not publicly endorsed Trump, he has been publicly tied to the former president, having crossed paths at UFC events on multiple occasions over the years.



Additionally, back in July 2022, the podcaster candidly revealed that he had declined several opportunities to interview Trump, stating firmly that he was “not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form.”

“I’ve had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once—I’ve said no every time. I don’t want to help him. I’m not interested in helping him,” he stated at the time.

Plus, in a September 2023 episode featuring Bill Maher, Rogan said, "He might be crazy. He might be a sociopath," describing Trump.
Joe Rogan Supported RFK Jr.

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In August, Rogan voiced his support for independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., offering praise for his campaign.

"I am a fan. He's the only one to make sense to me. He's the only one that doesn't attack people. He attacks actions and ideas, but he's much more reasonable and intelligent," Rogan said during an episode of his podcast.

The following day, Rogan clarified his remarks in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, emphasizing that his praise for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was not an “endorsement.”

"For the record, this isn't an endorsement. This is me saying that I like RFK Jr as a person, and I really appreciate the way he discusses things with civility and intelligence," Rogan wrote at the time. "I think we could use more of that in this world."
More On Joe Rogan's Controversial Podcast

Known for his marathon-length interviews on "The Joe Rogan Experience," which consistently ranks as the No. 1 podcast in the United States on Spotify’s charts, Rogan has stirred controversy over his casual language, often referring to women as “chicks.”

He also drew criticism for laughing during a conversation in which a comedian friend recounted instances of pressuring young female comics into sex.

Recently, he received immense backlash after saying “the idea that Jewish people are not into money is ridiculous."


Joe Rogan asked Donald Trump for specifics on how 2020 was stolen. Then could only laugh at the answer

Alex Lang
Sat, October 26, 2024 
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Joe Rogan asked Donald Trump for specifics on how 2020 was stolen. Then could only laugh at the answer

Joe Rogan could be seen laughing as he pressed former president Donald Trump for specifics on how the election was stolen in 2020.

The Republican nominee sat down Friday for an interview with the No. 1 podcaster. The interview ran for three hours and delayed Trump’s appearance in Traverse City, Michigan, later in the day.

At one point, Trump and Rogan started to discuss the 2020 election.

“I won by like,” Trump said, “I lost by like…I didn’t lose.


Rogan could then be seen laughing.

“They say I lost, Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes,” Trump continued. “That’s like one one-tenth of one percent, it’s less than that. It’s a tiny little thing. Twenty-two thousand votes that’s spread all over this period.

“Fifty-one intelligent agents lied, they lied, they knew it was Hunter’s, it was from his bed. They said it was created by Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. It was the Russia hoax.”

Donald Trump sat down with Joe Rogan for a podcast interview. At one point, Rogan could only laugh as Trump rambled when asked about how the 2020 election was stolen (Joe Rogan Experience)

That exchange came as Rogan continued to ask Trump for examples of how the 2020 election was “crooked” as Trump claimed.

“Let’s start at the top and the easy ones. They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn’t get it in many cases, they didn’t get it,” Trump said.

Rogan asked what the “things” were, and the Republican nominee could only say “anything.”

“Like for extensions of the voting, for voting earlier. All these different things by law, they had to get legislative approvals. You don’t have to go any further than that,” the 78-year-old nominee said.

“If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen. They wouldn’t give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren’t signed. They weren’t originals. They were– we could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots, or we could go into the overall. I’ll give you another way.”

The podcaster then asked Trump if he would ever present the evidence, Trump responded with “uh.” He then went into a rant about Russia and Hunter Biden’s laptop.

Trump has made his stolen election claim a central part of his campaign against Democratic rival Kamala Harris (AFP via Getty Images)

Despite there being no evidence of mass election fraud, Trump continues to push the idea that the election was stolen. It’s become a centerpiece of his campaign against Democratic rival Kamala Harris.

Earlier this month, during a Michigan rally, Trump addressed his stolen election claims as he spoke soon after prosecutor Jack Smith made a filing in the federal criminal case against the former president accusing him of election interference.

“You know last time, last election, we did great in 2016, a lot of people don’t know we did much better in 2020,” Trump told the crowd on October 4. “We won, we won, we did win. It was a rigged election, it was a rigged election.

“You have to tell Kamala Harris, that’s why I’m doing it again, if I thought I lost, I wouldn’t be doing this again. You know where I’d be right now, on the beaches of Monte Carlo maybe, or some place. Be having a nice life.”

How Ben Shapiro Was Silenced by Harris-Supporting Trans Man

Emell Derra Adolphus
Fri, October 25, 2024 

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Conservative pundit and provocateur Ben Shapiro took on 25 supporters of Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris in a debate video published Thursday.

Posted to digital media company Jubilee’s YouTube channel as part of its Surrounded series, which aims to confront ideological and political differences head on, Shapiro sat in the middle of a circle, presented his arguments—and had them challenged claim-by-claim.

The first point of discussion was Shapiro’s assertion that Democratic candidate Kamala Harris’ efforts to prioritize diversity, equity and inclusion in her policies are “destructive.”

When asked from a supporter why centering DEI is a “destructive thing,” Shapiro, co-founder of the Daily Wire, called it a “failure of logic” that “separates groups on the basis of race.”

He added, “Which is not actually the best way of bringing Americans together.”

The exchanges were mostly cordial, with Shapiro responding calmly with conservative talking points.

However, a trans man’s comments about men experiencing pregnancy, sexual assault and access to abortion rights left him visibly shaken.

“I‘ve experienced [sexual assault] and abortion rights affect me directly,” the man explained. “So if we are talking about the American Dream that you live, why don’t I have access to that? Because there is no legislation in the history of America that legislates a man’s body. So why does mine have to be legislated?”

“I’ve got a vagina,” the man added, to which a flustered Shapiro responded, “Um, I’m not interested in what your genitalia are.”

“Clearly you are, I mean it’s all over everything you make buddy,” the man replied in turn.

The rest of the discussion covered the Israel-Gaza war, benefits for asylum seekers, and Donald Trump’s non-committal to the peaceful transfer of power.

“He should have spoken earlier, I agree,” said Shapiro of Trump when addressing the moments that led up to the Jan. 6 insurrection. He added that he was “not going to defend his behavior.” But he still wants Trump to be president.

Shapiro hasn’t been the only conservative willing to sit in the hot seat and have their views challenged. In September, conservative Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk took on 25 college students to similar results, producing several viral social media moments. (One of the students featured in that video later debated a group of 20 Trump supporters, because of course content breeds content.)

At the end of the debate, Shapiro called the whole exercise “a lot of fun.”

“Other than a couple of minor hiccups, I think everybody was coming at this in good spirit and wanting to have a fun conversation,” he said. “There are a lot of intelligent people in the circle, and it’s fun to hear what they had to say.”