Thursday, October 02, 2025

A Scholar’s Quest To Find The Ancestral People Of The Most Influential Language On Earth – Interview

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Who and where were the Proto-Indo-Europeans? Almost 450 languages spoken by 4 billion people descend from their tongue—and J.P. Mallory has been on a life-long journey to reconstruct their world.


A deeper reach into human history is now possible, thanks to a growing body of archaeological data collected using advanced technologies and patient scholarly detective work accumulated across recent decades. Research into the reconstruction of lost parent languages of the ones we speak today is included in that process. One of the most studied and reconstructed languages is known as Proto-Indo-European, or PIE for short.

PIE is the parent for most primary languages spoken today in the Americas, western and northeastern Eurasia, and the Indian subcontinent. English, Romance languages, including Spanish and French, German, Slavic, Baltic languages, Russian, Persian, Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, and Punjabi are all children of PIE. Some PIE speakers and their descendants got deep into the lands of modern China. This spread has intrigued many scholars who are trying to answer questions such as: who were these people, when and where exactly did they emerge, what were they like, and was their spread a random occurrence or was there something about them that allowed PIE-speaking descendants to break “correlations between geography and genetics” to quote Harvard scientist David Reich, whose lab is at the forefront of researching the origins of the Indo-Europeans.

J.P. Mallory is among the most accomplished scholars to investigate the language, culture, and archaeology of the far-flung Indo-Europeans. Across decades, he has published about waves of migration and cultural combination that produced the Irish in far Western Europe, all the way to Northeast Asia, to try and piece together who the Tocharians of the Tarim Basin in China were. Now, an emeritus professor at Queen’s University, Mallory has released a new book, The Indo-Europeans Rediscovered: How a Scientific Revolution is Rewriting Their Story, which recounts the history of scholarship about them across the past few centuries and offers new insights into the debates about their origins, using archaeology, linguistic research, and ancient genetics.

The research by Mallory and other scholars into the origins of PIE and their speakers is more than an interesting research project. Misinformation about Indo-Europeans—cultivating the notion of a homeland that produced a dominant culture that spread across the Earth—has been used for political advantage, from Nazi Germany to ethno-nationalist groups in Eurasia and the Americas. Accurate and deeper scholarship that explains the connections to the many descendant cultures and their profound connections should have a powerful clarifying effect that precludes the misuse of this information. It’s powerful information that provides 3.4 billion people, or 42 percent of the world’s population, an authentic shared frame of reference and history across almost 450 languages.

It’s one of many new areas of research into the past that have the potential to become an engine for the betterment of humanity—as it percolates through the centers of influence—and helps us grow accustomed to relying on a wider and global human historical evidence base as reference. This information is valuable context for understanding ourselves, but so is the process of learning it. Society will greatly benefit from minds that are trained to think in deeper timescales than a millennium or two—archaeology and biological sciences are increasingly furnishing useful insights and pattern observations into humanities at a historical depth spanning millions of years.


I reached out to Mallory to learn about his latest research and future directions in finding the lost PIE speakers and thought it would be interesting for readers.

Jan Ritch-Frel: You identify the Pontic Steppe that spans from the northwestern Black Sea coasts across the northern Caucasus into Kazakhstan as the most likely homeland of the Proto-Indo-European speakers. In the decades of research, have you landed on some of the broad cultural and social markers of these people as you looked through the archaeological evidence of that region?

J.P. Mallory: There have been a lot of assumptions made regarding the steppe populations during the Eneolithic-Early Bronze Age, but so far it has been extremely difficult to produce a convincing image of their social structure, hierarchies, etc., from archaeological data.

The problem lies in the nature of the evidence: almost entirely burials, so it is difficult to reconstruct an entire culture from the burials alone. This is compounded by the fact that the burials tend to be poor—the majority lack any grave gifts—and those that do have grave gifts are often limited to a pot, maybe some stone tools or animal remains.

These graves are a lot poorer in objects and information than the Corded Ware culture or many of the Neolithic cultures of Europe. For example, a rough count of the presence of metal objects in a few of the major databases (where we have about 1,000 burials for a given region), reveals that 2 percent or less had a metal object in the grave.

Because of this, we have a range of opinions based on various studies suggesting that the steppe cultures were egalitarian—at one end—to enjoying a tripartite class society resembling that expressed in the Indo-Aryan class system. While we can point to some very rich burials, for example, employing the burial of a wagon and other objects, this is in no way typical of the burials.

One of the greatest research needs is an aggregated database of all Yamna burials (this would probably number well over 12,000 excavated burials) that could be analyzed. Where are the 19th-century German scholars when you need them?

Ritch-Frel: What are some of the most interesting subplots in the pursuit of understanding PIE origins and Indo-Europeans?

Mallory: There are several major aspects of the hunt for the homeland that I find particularly interesting. First, there is the non-linear nature of our progress. By this I mean that unlike many other linguistic problems, we do not find a narrative of discovery and consensus-building progressively unfolding over time, with each conference bringing us closer to a final solution. The only way it can be presented as such is if you concentrate solely on a single strand of argument and ignore the glorious free-for-all that was going on from about 1870 onward.

Some have criticized me for discussing now long-discarded solutions to the homeland problem, presuming that one only needs to dwell on those issues that give us our current answer. What you miss here is that for more than two centuries, the scholarly world has regarded the models of their own time as the definitive solutions, and, at least from the time of Roger Latham around 1860, there have always been multiple camps of diametrically opposed scholars. Often, what constitutes “new evidence” derives from a different discipline than the one that supports an alternative theory and does nothing to address its validity. Moreover, what have often been regarded as long-discarded solutions have had an uncanny ability to be resurrected by later generations.

A related issue is what I have termed the “constituency problem,” i.e., where scholars from various disciplines believe that there are core factors in the solution that cannot be ignored or overturned by evidence from another discipline. Sometimes they are apparent within the same discipline, for example, there are those who argue for a deep genetic or contact relationship between Indo-European and the Uralic family (Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, etc.). This indicates that the homeland must have been located in or near Eastern Europe, while others emphasize early contacts or relationships between Indo-European and languages of the Near East or south Caucasus, which would locate the homeland south of the Caucasus.

On other occasions, the evidence is disputed across disciplines, for example, the craniometric evidence failed to support any case for relating the Corded Ware culture with the Pontic-Caspian steppe, while ancient DNA firmly supports the derivation of the majority of Corded Ware population from the steppe.

Ritch-Frel: What kinds of industries, specializations, and lifestyles do you think PIE people would have been aware of—boating people, mining, winegrowing, etc. Along the Caucasus and the coasts of the Black and Caspian seas.

Mallory: This is guesswork for me but given the fact that metals were mined in the Balkans and transported as far east as the Volga, many would have been aware that such objects came from a distant land, and they would know in which direction that land lay. Obviously, the traders or smiths who transported the copper would be well aware of their source.

As for the coastal areas of the Black Sea and the Caucasus, the fact that the genetic signature indicates that nearly 50 percent of the steppe population had ancestors from that direction, and that there were exchange currents still running between the steppe and the Caucasus, they would know their larger world.

Ritch-Frel: Your book dwells heavily on the sociological factors that might have explained the spread of the PIE and Indo-European speaking populations. Do you think it’s worth considering the density and portability of the livelihoods of PIE speakers and specialized knowledge as a key enabler for their ability to challenge the boundaries of geography and genetics?

Mallory: I would think that the increased mobility of the steppe societies is probably a major key in their expansion, since it exponentially increases the territory that one can interact with and possibly control. The key issue here, as I explain in my book, is that pastoral nomads have had an extremely poor record in Europe in spreading their own language (excepting the Magyars and perhaps we can also count the Turks). So why did Eneolithic pastoralists succeed so well?

One possible reason is that they were the first, so there really was a step change between them and the settled farmers of Europe, while all later pastoralists encountered cultures that already possessed vehicles and horse riding. Who knows?

Ritch-Frel: What parts of the archaeological record and related scholarship would you recommend to curious people who want to know more about the PIE and the Indo-European world and why?

Mallory: Doug Q. Adams and I produced an Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture (1997) and The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World (2006), which introduced readers to most of the topics listed above. For the archaeological cultures, David W. Anthony’s The Horse. The Wheel, and Language (2007) is the go-to book.


  • Credit Line: This article was produced by Human Bridges, a project of the Independent Media Institute.


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Six Billion Tonnes A Second: Rogue Planet Found Growing At Record Rate


This artist’s impression shows Cha 1107-7626. Located about 620 light-years away, this rogue planet is about 5-10 times more massive than Jupiter and doesn’t orbit a star. It is eating up material from a disc around it and, using ESO’s Very Large Telescope (VLT), astronomers have discovered that it is now doing so at a rate of six billion tonnes per second –– the fastest ever found for any kind of planet. The team suspects that strong magnetic fields could be funnelling material towards the planet, something only seen in stars.
 CREDIT: ESO/L. Calçada/M. Kornmesser


October 3, 2025
By Eurasia Review


Astronomers have identified an enormous ‘growth spurt’ in a so-called rogue planet. Unlike the planets in our Solar System, these objects do not orbit stars, free-floating on their own instead.

The new observations, made with the European Southern Observatory’s Very Large Telescope (ESO’s VLT), reveal that this free-floating planet is eating up gas and dust from its surroundings at a rate of six billion tonnes a second. This is the strongest growth rate ever recorded for a rogue planet, or a planet of any kind, providing valuable insights into how they form and grow.

“People may think of planets as quiet and stable worlds, but with this discovery we see that planetary-mass objects freely floating in space can be exciting places,” says Víctor Almendros-Abad, an astronomer at the Astronomical Observatory of Palermo, National Institute for Astrophysics (INAF), Italy and lead author of the new study.

The newly studied object, which has a mass five to 10 times the mass of Jupiter, is located about 620 light-years away in the constellation Chamaeleon. Officially named Cha 1107-7626, this rogue planet is still forming and is fed by a surrounding disc of gas and dust. This material constantly falls onto the free-floating planet, a process known as accretion. However, the team led by Almendros-Abad has now found that the rate at which the young planet is accreting is not steady.

By August 2025, the planet was accreting about eight times faster than just a few months before, at a rate of six billion tonnes per second!

“This is the strongest accretion episode ever recorded for a planetary-mass object,” says Almendros-Abad.

The discovery, published in The Astrophysical Journal Letters, was made with the X-shooter spectrograph on ESO’s VLT, located in Chile’s Atacama Desert. The team also used data from the James Webb Space Telescope, operated by the US, European and Canadian space agencies, and archival data from the SINFONI spectrograph on ESO’s VLT.

“The origin of rogue planets remains an open question: are they the lowest-mass objects formed like stars, or giant planets ejected from their birth systems?” asks co-author Aleks Scholz, an astronomer at the University of St Andrews, United Kingdom.

The findings indicate that at least some rogue planets may share a similar formation path to stars since similar bursts of accretion have been spotted in young stars before.

As co-author Belinda Damian, also an astronomer at the University of St Andrews, explains: “This discovery blurs the line between stars and planets and gives us a sneak peek into the earliest formation periods of rogue planets.”

By comparing the light emitted before and during the burst, astronomers gathered clues about the nature of the accretion process. Remarkably, magnetic activity appears to have played a role in driving the dramatic infall of mass, something that has only been observed in stars before. This suggests that even low-mass objects can possess strong magnetic fields capable of powering such accretion events. The team also found that the chemistry of the disc around the planet changed during the accretion episode, with water vapour being detected during it but not before. This phenomenon had been spotted in stars but never in a planet of any kind.

Free-floating planets are difficult to detect, as they are very faint, but ESO’s upcoming Extremely Large Telescope (ELT), operating under the world’s darkest skies for astronomy, could change that. Its powerful instruments and giant main mirror will enable astronomers to uncover and study more of these lonely planets, helping them to better understand how star-like they are.

As co-author and ESO astronomer Amelia Bayo puts it: “The idea that a planetary object can behave like a star is awe-inspiring and invites us to wonder what worlds beyond our own could be like during their nascent stages.”


Eurasia Review is an independent Journal that provides a venue for analysts and experts to publish content on a wide-range of subjects that are often overlooked or under-represented by Western dominated media.
Sharks, Rays, Chimaeras Further Threatened By Deep-Sea Mining

OUTLAW DEEP SEA MINING



The Pygmy Shark (Euprotomicrus bispinatus), the world’s second smallest shark species and one of the species with a high overlap with proposed deep sea mining. 
CREDIT: Blue Planet Archive / Masa Ushioda.


October 3, 2025 

By Eurasia Review


The habitat of thirty species of sharks, rays, and chimaeras, also called ghost sharks, overlap with areas where proposed deep-sea mining may occur, according to new research published in Current Biology and led by University of Hawai‘i at Mānoa oceanographers.

Nearly two-thirds of these species are already threatened with extinction due to human impacts, so deep-sea mining, which will disrupt the seafloor and discharge large plumes of sediment into the water above, has the potential to elevate their extinction risk.

“Deep-sea mining is a new potential threat to this group of animals which are both vital in the ocean ecosystem and to human culture and identity,” said Aaron Judah, lead author of the study and oceanography graduate student in the UH Mānoa School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology (SOEST). “By identifying and calling attention to this threat and recommending potential conservation pathways, I hope we will be better positioned to support healthy shark, ray, and chimaera populations into the future.”
Where there is overlap, there is risk

Judah collaborated with an international team of experts to overlay the global maps of species ranges created by the IUCN Shark Specialist Group with contract areas and reserved areas allocated for deep-sea mining by the International Seabed Authority. The researchers also accounted for how each species reproduces and how deep they dive in order to estimate their vulnerability to mining impacts. For example, species such as skates and chimaeras lay eggs on the seafloor and therefore mining vehicles could pose a threat to nurseries.

The species they assessed included iconic examples such as the whale shark, manta rays, and the megamouth shark, and also many lesser known, but just as interesting deep-sea species, such as the pygmy shark, chocolate skate, and point-nosed chimaera, which comes from a unique group of cartilaginous fishes similar to sharks and rays, sometimes called ghost sharks.

The team discovered that 30 species could be impacted by discharge plumes and 25 of the 30 species could also be impacted by seafloor disruptions associated with mining. They also found that because many of the species inhabit a variety of habitats along the depth range or are deep divers, mining impacts may overlap more than half of the depth range of 17 species.

Assessing risk to minimize impacts


Deep-sea mining is set to potentially occur in the Clarion-Clipperton Zone, which is a large abyssal plain area that spans from the waters around Hawai‘i into the eastern Pacific Ocean. To make the best management decisions, the potential impacts on marine life and the communities that depend on them must be known.

“Sharks and their relatives are the second most threatened vertebrate group on the planet, mostly from overfishing,” said Jeff Drazen, study senior author and professor of Oceanography at SOEST. “Because of their vulnerability, they should be considered in ongoing discussions of the environmental risks from deep-sea mining, and those responsible for monitoring their health should be aware that mining could pose an additional risk.”

The authors offer a number of recommendations to improve conservation of these species under the footprint of mining, such as establishing monitoring programs, including them in environmental impact assessments, and creating protected areas. These recommendations could be adopted by the International Seabed Authority in their regulations for creating environmental impact assessments, or by contractors in executing scientific baseline assessments.

“Many of the shark species identified in the analysis are highly mobile and can move across wide swaths of ocean,” said Judah. “Given their mobility and the proximity of Hawai’i to the areas allocated for mining, impacts in these areas may stretch indirectly to ecosystems near the island chain.”

Judah continues to research and report species range extensions for animals not included in the initial assessment, which may add additional species to this group of animals at risk from mining impacts.


Eurasia Review is an independent Journal that provides a venue for analysts and experts to publish content on a wide-range of subjects that are often overlooked or under-represented by Western dominated media.
The Fast Food Index Is Looking Bleak – OpEd




October 3, 2025

By Dean Baker


For the last several years I have relied on real (inflation-adjusted) spending at fast food restaurants as a useful gauge of consumer sentiment. I began this during the pandemic recovery when the media were constantly telling us that people were struggling to make ends meet.

While this is always true in a country with a weak social safety net and extreme income inequality, the question any serious person asks is whether it’s getting worse or better. I kept pointing to the data showing that, at least for those at the bottom, it seemed to be getting better.

Wages in the lowest paying sector, hotels and restaurants, were substantially outpacing inflation. Also, analysis of wage data in the Current Population Survey showed that workers in the bottom decile of the wage distribution had the fast real wage growth in half a century, with their wages outpacing inflation by 15 percentbetween 2019 and 2024.

To be clear, no one in their right mind would say that workers at the bottom of the wage distribution had it good. An inflation-adjusted $17.25 an hour in 2024 might be a lot better than $15.00 in 2019, but that is not the sort of pay on which someone could support themselves very well, and certainly not raise kids. Nonetheless, real wages were at least moving in the right direction, which they had not for much of the past five decades.

Anyhow, the pundits insisted that they didn’t care what the data showed, people didn’t feel they were doing well. It is hard to get into people’s heads. I know reporters are apparently experts at telling us what people really think, but most of us are not capable of mind-reading.

We can look to what people say, but in a country of 330 million people, we could always find someone saying almost anything. It’s true that we saw lots of people quoted in news accounts telling us things were awful, but that was the decision of people writing the news to find people saying things were awful.


There is polling data, but that also ends up being ambiguous. People tended to answer questions about the economy in general very negatively, but they usually described their own situation as being relatively positive. Most people don’t have any direct knowledge of the economy as a whole. They get tidbits from the media, on social media, or their friends and co-workers. For this reason, their personal assessments of the economy have to be taken with a grain of salt.

There is an old saying that economists look at what people do, not what they say. There is some wisdom in this approach. People may say they think the economy is good or bad because they have been told this is the case, but their spending presumably reflects their own perception of their financial situation. For this reason, if we can measure what people are spending, we can get an idea of how they view their finances.

However, this does raise the problem of distribution. A grossly disproportionate share of spending is done by the top quintile of the income distribution. If aggregate consumption rises it could be because these people are seeing big stock gains, not because typical workers are doing better. In fact, recent researchshows the richest 10 percent of households account for nearly half of all consumption.

This is my reason for turning to the fast-food consumption index. While rich people also go to McDonalds and KFC, it is unlikely they increase their visits much when the stock market rises. In fact, having more money may lead them to eat at more expensive sit-down restaurants instead of fast-food restaurants.

This means that changes in fast-food consumption are likely to primarily reflect changes in spending by lower and middle-income people, not the rich. With the revised consumption data released last week, we can see an interesting — and not very good — pattern in fast-food spending.





In 2021, 2022, and 2023, real fast-food spending was growing at an average annual rate of 5.4 percent, considerably faster than the 2.9 percent growth rate in the decade prior to the pandemic. But spending largely stagnated in 2024. Real spending in December 2024 was actually 1.0 percent less than it had been in December of 2023. That stagnation has continued into 2025. Spending in August was less than 0.1 percent higher than it had been in December 2023. This suggests that most workers do not feel they are doing well these days.

That fits the story with real wages in the hotel and restaurant industry. Real hourly wages for non-supervisory workers are less than 0.8 percent above their level in December 2023. On the positive side, at least real wages are not falling, as was often the case in prior decades, but a gain of 0.8 percent in almost two years is not much to boast about.

With the revised data, there is more of a case that the labor market was weakening in 2024. It looks like it is continuing to weaken in 2025. Perhaps something on the horizon will turn that story around, but there look to be many more potential negatives than positives for the near future.This article first appeared on Dean Baker’s Beat the Press blog.



Dean Baker

Dean Baker is the co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR). He is the author of Plunder and Blunder: The Rise and Fall of the Bubble Economy.


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The early modern period witnessed one of the most profound transformations in political thought: the emergence of absolutism and the idea of the raison d’état—the “reason of state.”


As Murray Rothbard emphasizes, this shift entailed a subtle but powerful transmutation: what had once been justified as best for the ruler came to be portrayed as synonymous with the welfare of the people. In the hands of thinkers from Machiavelli to Jean Bodin, and ultimately in the practice of monarchs like Louis XIV, the private interest of the sovereign was elevated into the very embodiment of the common good.

From Renaissance Humanism to Machiavelli

In chapter six of volume one of his essential An Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought, Rothbard traces the roots of absolutism to Italian humanism. The republican tradition of the Italian city-states—where oligarchic elites employed podestà to administer affairs—provided one strand. Yet, alongside republicanism emerged a darker doctrine: that the expansion and preservation of the state constituted the highest good. Niccolò Machiavelli stands as the archetype. In both The Prince and Discourses on Livy, Rothbard notes, Machiavelli “preached the maintenance and expansion of state power as the highest good,” subordinating all considerations of morality to that end.

This was the germ of the reason of state: the idea that rulers could and should depart from ordinary ethics for the sake of political necessity. As Rothbard puts it, Machiavelli insisted that “no considerations of justice or injustice, humanity or cruelty, nor of glory or shame, should be allowed to prevail” when the safety of the state was at stake.

Bodin and the French Apex of Absolutist Theory

While Machiavelli laid the groundwork, Rothbard identifies the French theorist Jean Bodin as the apex of absolutist thought. Writing in the late 16th century, Bodin fused legal theory, divine right, and practical politics into a doctrine of untrammeled sovereignty. For Bodin, the king was the sole and perpetual lawgiver, “answerable only to God.” In Rothbard’s telling, Bodin’s work marks the crystallization of a tradition in which monarchs were portrayed as not merely rulers but incarnations of the public good.

Louis XIV and the Apotheosis of the State

This tradition reached its fullest political expression under Louis XIV. Rothbard is unambiguous: “Even more than Colbert, he totally identified his own private interest as monarch with the interests of the state and with the ‘public good.’” Whether or not the Sun King actually uttered the famous words “I am the state,” Rothbard stresses, he certainly believed and acted upon them.


Louis treated justice as “my justice” and claimed the right to tax his subjects at will. In contrast to earlier medieval rulers—who recognized rights of subjects independent of his own power and authority—to absolutists such as Louis, since the realm was his property, why should he not dispose of it as he pleased? Court propagandists reinforced this logic. Daniel de Priezac described monarchy as a divine light hidden from mortals, while the cynic Samuel Sorbière argued that only absolute submission to the monarch could resolve human corruption.

Louis himself compared his role to the sun, “the noblest of all… producing life, joy, and activity everywhere.” Bishop Bossuet, court theologian, went even further: “The whole state is in the person of the prince… Majesty is the image of the grandeur of God in the prince.” Here, Rothbard observes, the king ceased to be an individual at all; he became a “public person,” the very embodiment of the state.

The Logic of Statism

What tied these strands together was the doctrine of the reason of state. If the monarch’s private interest was the public interest, then any measure taken to preserve his power was justified as serving the common good. The ruler’s enrichment became national glory; his suppression of dissent became the restoration of order. As Rothbard wryly observes in his discussion of Colbert, “Apparently only the interests of individual merchants and citizens were narrow and ‘petty.’ Colbert had little difficulty in identifying the lucrative feathering of his own nest with the ‘public interest,’ national glory, and the common weal.”

In this transmutation, absolutism achieved an enduring ideological victory. So long as the monarch could portray his own prerogatives as inseparable from those of society, resistance was cast not merely as rebellion against a ruler but as treason against the state itself.

Rothbard’s Verdict

For Rothbard, the rise of absolutism marked a decisive betrayal of earlier traditions that had emphasized law, custom, and the liberty of intermediate institutions. The reason of state was not the triumph of rational governance, but of naked power cloaked in divine and patriotic rhetoric. Louis XIV’s France, in this sense, was not merely an absolutist regime but the prototype of modern statism.

Conclusion

Rothbard’s account of absolutism and the raison d’état is not merely a historical sketch but a cautionary tale. By conflating the ruler’s private interest with the public good, absolutist thinkers and monarchs laid the intellectual foundations for later forms of centralized, coercive power. As Louis XIV’s reign demonstrated, once the ruler is the state, there are no limits beyond his will. For Rothbard, understanding this genealogy is essential for anyone who abhors centralized power and seeks to recover the ideals of liberty eclipsed by the rise of the modern state.


Joseph Solis-Mullen

A graduate of Spring Arbor University and the University of Illinois, Joseph Solis-Mullen is a political scientist and graduate student in the economics department at the University of Missouri. A writer and blogger, his work can be found at the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, Eurasia Review, Libertarian Institute, and Sage Advance. You can contact him through his website http://www.jsmwritings.com or find him on Twitter.



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1848 to 1851, is one of the most important Marxist writings. In it Marx gives a further elaboration of all the basic tenets of historical materialism-the theory ...

 

European leaders caught on video mocking Trump for confusing Albania with Armenia

European leaders caught on video mocking Trump for confusing Albania with Armenia
Video posted on X shows Albania’s Edi Rama (centre) joking with French President Emmanuel Macron and Azerbaijan’s Ilham Aliyev at EPC summit over US president’s repeated geographic blunders. / X
By bne IntelliNews October 2, 2025

US President Donald Trump’s repeated blunders when referring to the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict became the subject of banter among European leaders on October 2, when Albania’s prime minister joked with fellow European leaders about the confusion.

Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama was caught on camera joking with French President Emmanuel Macron and Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev during the European Political Community (EPC) meeting in Copenhagen.

“You should make an apology to us because you didn’t congratulate us on the peace deal that President Trump made between Albania and Azerbaijan,” Rama told Macron, a video posted on X (formerly Twitter) shows. 

This prompted a laugh from Aliyev, while Macron jokingly responded: “I am sorry for that.”

The EPC summit in Copenhagen brought together leaders of EU members, candidate countries such as Albania and other countries from across the broader European region to discuss support for Ukraine and the security situation in Europe. 

Trump has on several occasions muddled Armenia with Albania when discussing the US-brokered peace talks between Armenia and Azerbaijan. The two South Caucasus neighbours signed a deal in Washington in August aimed at ending decades of hostility over Nagorno-Karabakh, a disputed region that has seen repeated outbreaks of war. Albania, a Balkan country hundreds of miles away, has no role in the conflict.

Trump first confused the countries during an appearance on a conservative talk show in August, when he described a peace deal between “Aberbaijan and Albania” before correcting himself. 

In September, he told Fox News he had prevented a war between “Azerbaijan and Albania”. At a press conference in the UK later the same month, Trump yet again referred to “Albania” while describing the agreement. He also stumbled over the name of Azerbaijan, pausing before saying “Aber … baijan”.

Later, Trump again inserted a different country into the long-running Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, claiming to have prevented a war between Armenia and Cambodia

Speaking at the American Cornerstone Institute Founder's Dinner, Trump credited himself with “stopping the war” between Cambodia and Armenia and warned the conflict “was only beginning and could have had serious consequences”.

The errors have become an awkward counterpoint to Trump’s frequent boasts of his foreign policy record. He has repeatedly cast himself as a global peacemaker, citing his role in easing tensions in conflict zones including India and Pakistan, Serbia and Kosovo, and Egypt and Ethiopia. The White House has echoed the framing, promoting him as a “President of Peace” amid speculation that he is seeking recognition such as the Nobel Peace Prize.