“Terror & Fear”: Trump Moves to Denaturalize Citizens, End Birthright Citizenship, Halt Visa Lottery
The Trump administration is ramping up efforts to strip more naturalized immigrants of their U.S. citizenship, with The New York Times reporting that officials are seeking 100 to 200 cases per month. The news comes less than two weeks after the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case to decide the constitutionality of President Trump’s executive order aiming to end birthright citizenship.
“During the first Trump administration, they had 25 [denaturalization] cases per year, and … for the 15 years before the first Trump administration, they had fewer than 15 cases per year,” says Mae Ngai, professor of Asian American studies and history at Columbia University. “So this is an incredible escalation.”
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AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman.
The Trump administration is ramping up efforts to strip more naturalized immigrants of their U.S. citizenship. That’s according to a report in The New York Times, which found internal guidance issued this week to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services field offices asked that they supply Office of Immigration Litigation with 100 to 200 denaturalization cases per month in the next fiscal year. The Times reports it would represent a “massive escalation of denaturalization in the modern era.”
The news comes less than two weeks after the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case to decide the constitutionality of President Trump’s executive order aiming to end birthright citizenship.
To talk about all of this, as well as the latest threat by the Trump administration, that was issued last night, to end the visa diversity program, which leads to a green card for so many, we’re joined now by Mae Ngai, professor of Asian American studies and history at Columbia University. Much of her work focuses on immigration, citizenship and nationalism.
Welcome back to Democracy Now!, Professor Ngai. It’s great to have you with us. Let’s start off —
MAE NGAI: Thanks for having me, Amy. Great to be here.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain for people who don’t quite understand: What is it to be a naturalized citizen? And then, what does it mean that the Trump administration wants to revoke that citizenship from 100 to 200 people a month?
MAE NGAI: The United States has two kinds of citizens: those who are born in this country, who are automatically citizens by birth — that’s what we call birthright citizenship — and naturalized citizens, those people who are immigrants who can apply to become a citizen after they’ve been here for five years, take a test on civics, have no criminal record, etc.
The Constitution treats both kinds of citizens equally. Birthright citizens and naturalized citizens are treated the same under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. And we have naturalized close to 10 million people in the last 10 years, so there’s a large number of foreign-born Americans who are citizens of this country. Now, to give you some context —
AMY GOODMAN: The mayor-elect —
MAE NGAI: — on what does it mean to — yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: The mayor-elect of New York — right? — Zohran Mamdani, is a naturalized citizen. He was born in Uganda.
MAE NGAI: That’s right, and Trump has explicitly threatened to strip Mamdani of his citizenship.
AMY GOODMAN: So, keep going with your explanation now.
MAE NGAI: OK. So, to give you some context, what does it mean to say they want 100 to 200 cases per month? During the first Trump administration, they had 25 cases per year, and before that, for the 15 years before the first Trump administration, they had fewer than 15 cases per year. So this is an incredible escalation.
I want to say that it’s doubtful that they can actually do this, that they can bring that many cases, or that they can successfully prosecute that many cases. But it’s like the mass deportation program. You know, they have no way to reach their goal of 3,000 ICE arrests per month, but they have spread terror and fear throughout immigrant communities, and now that is going to spread to our fellow citizens who are naturalized.
AMY GOODMAN: So, how does this happen? How does it start? If I were a naturalized citizen, I get a notice that I am going to lose my citizenship?
MAE NGAI: No, they can’t do that. DHS or Citizen Immigration Services cannot unilaterally revoke your citizenship. They have to go to a U.S. attorney, and they — the U.S. Attorney’s Office has to file a suit, a civil suit, in federal court, and it has to go before a judge. So it’s a long process. Every individual case has to be tried.
And let me say, Amy, the grounds to denaturalize a citizen are very, very narrow, very narrow indeed. You have to show that the citizen lied on their application in a way that was meaningful to the outcome. So, for example, we mostly know about people who were war criminals, who hid their past, people who were members of the Nazi Party during World War II. Those are the most famous cases. So, you have to have misrepresented yourself and hidden or committed fraud on your application about something that would have been consequential.
Now, in June, the Trump administration expanded the list of reasons why they could revoke somebody’s naturalization. These include association with gangs or cartels, people who have been involved in human trafficking, people who have committed financial fraud against the government or private individuals or entities. That’s an interesting one. And so, they have expanded the grounds considerably.
And speaking of Mamdani, I think one of the things we have to be very concerned about is their use of political difference with the Trump administration. I can imagine that they will selectively try to prosecute American citizens who are naturalized who have spoken out against Israel’s genocide in Gaza. You know, Mamdani has been accused of being, you know, a Hamas supporter, which is not true, but he does support Palestine. So, this is going to be, I think, a new ground upon which we see the struggle for political speech.
AMY GOODMAN: You say that both birthright citizenship and naturalized citizenship are protected by the 14th Amendment. So, go now to birthright citizenship and what’s going before the Supreme Court.
MAE NGAI: On day one of Trump taking office, he declared he was going to deny birthright citizenship to babies born to undocumented migrants and temporary immigrants, people like foreign students or guest workers. Now, this has been challenged in the courts, it’s been turned down by several circuit courts, and now it’s before the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has agreed to hear it. And this is something that has over a hundred years of precedence in our country, and this would be a terrible blow if Trump were to — or, if the Supreme Court were to uphold Trump’s executive order.
AMY GOODMAN: And explain what birthright citizenship is.
MAE NGAI: It simply means that any person born on the soil of the United States, save for those who are born to foreign diplomats or an invading army, which we don’t have that circumstance, but anybody born on U.S. soil is, by that fact, a citizen of the United States. And there are, I think, some 300,000 babies born every year to people who are undocumented or temporary immigrants, who have citizenship.
AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to —
MAE NGAI: I’m a birthright citizen, Amy.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain. Explain, Professor Ngai.
MAE NGAI: My friends were immigrants.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain, Professor Ngai.
MAE NGAI: But I’m a birthright — well, I was born in this country. I was born in the Bronx. My parents were immigrants. They had come from China. And they later became naturalized citizens, but the time I was born, they were immigrants. And I was born here, and so I’m a citizen.
AMY GOODMAN: So, let’s go to President Trump speaking from the White House in June about his plans to end birthright citizenship.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We can now promptly file to proceed with numerous policies that have been wrongly enjoined on a nationwide basis. And some of the cases we’re talking about would be ending birthright citizenship, which now comes to the fore. That was meant for the babies of slaves. It wasn’t meant for people trying to scam the system and come into the country on a vacation. This was — in fact, it was the same date, the exact same date, the end of the Civil War. It was meant for the babies of slaves. And it’s so clean and so obvious. But this lets us go there and finally win that case, because hundreds of thousands of people are pouring into our country under birthright citizenship, and it wasn’t meant for that reason.
AMY GOODMAN: So, talk about what it’s meant for, Professor Ngai.
MAE NGAI: Well, it was originally meant for the babies of the former slaves, that is true. But it was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1898 in a Chinese case called Wong Kim Ark. And the court said that it applied to the children of immigrants, as well, including Chinese immigrants, which the court had no great love for. And at that time, the court said, if we eliminate birthright citizenship for the Chinese, the citizenship of all the children of all the Europeans who’ve come here would be in jeopardy. So the court knew that this was a far-reaching provision of the Constitution, and it upheld it. And it’s been upheld, you know, ever since.
AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to go what happened just last night. The Trump administration has suspended the diversity visa lottery program in the wake of the mass shooting at Brown University and the murder of the MIT physics professor Nuno Loureiro. The suspect, which seems to be the same person in both cases, was found dead in a New Hampshire storage facility, a self-inflicted wound, named Claudio Manuel Neves Valente. He entered the country on a student visa in 2000. He went to Brown, apparently, as a physics graduate student, was in that building where the young people were shot up this past weekend. So, he got a visa, a student visa, in 2000 and then apparently was granted a green card through the visa diversity program in 2017. Now the Trump administration is saying, based on this one person, they’re going to end this? What exactly is the diversity visa program, what’s called a green card program, and what would it mean?
MAE NGAI: First of all, I want to say that it’s utter tragedy, what happened at Brown and at MIT. And this is typical of the Trump administration to weaponize unfortunate instances like this to pursue a different agenda. The diversity visa program was passed by Congress in 1990. It allows for 50,000 green cards to be given to people in a lottery system. Now, people may know that the regular system, you have to have a family member in this country or a guarantee of employment from an employer. So, the diversity option through the lottery is just for anybody.
Now, they instituted that in 1990 in the hopes of bringing in more white people, Irish, you know, Eastern Europeans, etc. But what happened in the diversity was that a lot of people who got the lottery were from Africa or other countries. So, there have been calls in Congress to get rid of it, because it’s not what it was intended for, which was to make the immigration stream more white.
And I think all of these things are just indices of the Trump administration’s bigger agenda, which is to make this country a white Christian nation. To strip people of their citizenship, they’re going to go after certain kinds of people. Obviously, we see in the mass deportation system, we see in their end to the amnesty programs and refugee programs, and we see in the attempt to eliminate the diversity — which actually has to be done by Congress. But, you know, they do all these things because they don’t like the color or the politics of the people who come to this country.
AMY GOODMAN: Last quick question, a federal judge this week ruled the Trump administration broke the law by limiting congressmembers’ access to ICE jails. Can you talk about the significance of this? We have 20 seconds.
MAE NGAI: Well, the Trump administration acts with no oversight whatsoever, whether it’s the Supreme Court or Congress. He is acting like a dictator, an authoritarian. And it’s just a terrible thing, and the American people have to protest and oppose these.
AMY GOODMAN: Mae Ngai, we want to thank you so much for being with us, professor of Asian American studies and history at Columbia University, author of several books, including the award-winning Impossible Subjects: Illegal Aliens and the Making of Modern America.
That does it for our show. Democracy Now! currently accepting applications for our video news production and digital fellowship programs. Learn more at democracynow.org. I’m Amy Goodman. Thanks so much for joining us.
The federal government is appealing a case from Trump’s first term to reinstate an asylum ban at the southern border.
By Victoria Valenzuela ,

Immigrant justice advocates are worried that the Trump administration’s attempt to reinstate an asylum ban at the U.S.-Mexico border through an appeal at the Supreme Court will put asylum seekers in harm’s way.
Asylum is a way for people to escape dangerous conditions such as violence, war, consequences from climate change, or persecution for their sexual orientation or gender identity. Each year, tens of thousands of people present themselves at the border to seek asylum. In 2023, the U.S. granted asylum to 54,350 people.
“People have sought safety at the border from all over the world fleeing violence, persecution, and discrimination, and that is really why asylum is so critically important,” said Amy Fischer, director of refugee and migrant rights at Amnesty International USA. “People are fleeing real life-threatening harms, and this is really the mechanism for them to find a way for safety.”
Under the first Trump administration, people seeking asylum at the United States-Mexico border would typically be met by U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents who would turn them away. While some cases of asylum seekers being turned away at the San Ysidro border crossing occurred in 2016, the turn-back policies, called “metering” by the government, weren’t written and widely instituted until the first Trump administration. This turn-back policy created a humanitarian crisis at the border that impacted thousands of people seeking refuge from danger.
In response, immigrant justice lawyers representing 13 plaintiffs sued to overturn the asylum ban in Noem vs. Al Otro Lado in 2017. The lawsuit was filed in July 2017 by Al Otro Lado, along with the Center for Gender and Refugee Studies, the American Immigration Council, and other organizations located near the border.
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“Customs and Border Protection officers would confront people literally standing at the line and obstruct them from coming in,” said Melissa Crow, the director of litigation for the Center for Gender and Refugee Studies, who has been involved with the case since 2017. “They thought that would somehow make their blocking of access to the asylum process legal.”
Under the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees and U.S. immigration law, the U.S. has a legal obligation to provide asylum and pathways to citizenship to people who meet the qualifications for a refugee.
Crow said that when asylum seekers would try to cross the border at the time this ban was in place, they would be told that there was no capacity. She said that during the discovery phase of the trial, however, it was uncovered that the “excuses were pretextual.”
The case was originally heard in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California in San Diego before the federal government attempted to appeal the case to the Ninth Circuit Court, but the judge affirmed that the turn-back policy is unlawful.
The Supreme Court expects to hear arguments in the spring, with a decision anticipated for the summer.
Last month, the Supreme Court agreed to consider the case and expects to hear arguments in the spring, with a decision anticipated for the summer.
One of the plaintiffs in Noem vs. Al Otro Lado, an asylum seeker the legal team refers to as “Bianca Doe,” is a transgender woman who sought asylum at the U.S. border in early 2017 after suffering extreme physical and sexual violence in both Honduras, her home country, and Mexico. When she presented herself at an official port of entry, border officials turned her back. Fearing for her life in Tijuana and desperate to reach safety in the United States, she attempted to climb a fence on a beach to come into the United States, but a border officer threatened to call the Mexican police.
She wasn’t allowed into the U.S. until Noem v. Al Otro Lado challenged the policy keeping her from entering the country. Now, advocates like Fischer worry that reimplementing the asylum ban would bring back that desperation and fear facing many asylum seekers, including unaccompanied children, she said, which allows bad actors to profit and take advantage of those vulnerabilities at the border.
“The ability for people to seek asylum at the border is really a life-or-death issue.”
“The ability for people to seek asylum at the border is really a life-or-death issue,” Fischer said. “People must have the ability to present themselves and be able to seek this critical protection. Policies that are intended to block access to asylum or deter people from seeking asylum really only add to the violence and chaos and the real struggles that people have at the border.”
While the government wants to turn back people seeking asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border, not all asylum seekers are subject to the same crackdown. Marisa Limón Garza, executive director of Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center, said the targeting of the southern border specifically — while European or white South African immigrants are allowed to continue seeking asylum — is due to U.S. racism. To her, the attack on asylum did not come as a surprise.
Earlier this year, the Trump administration accepted 59 white South African refugees, affirming their assertion of being victims of “racial discrimination,” while Black and Afghan refugees have been denied refuge in the U.S.
“We’ve already seen in our detention centers people with protected status be detained and attempted to be deported, so why would they not go after the big fish, asylum at large, and just cut off that mechanism unless it’s for white folks of a certain class bracket that they would like to populate the United States,” Limón Garza said.
“We’ve already seen in our detention centers people with protected status be detained and attempted to be deported, so why would they not go after the big fish, asylum at large, and just cut off that mechanism.”
She also said that she has seen a decrease in the amount of people seeking asylum at the southern border since the start of the second Trump administration. She believes it’s due to the increased kidnappings and raids in the U.S. “People are really second guessing, like, ‘Do I want to go to the United States?,’ because if you’re leaving danger, would you go to a place that’s just as dangerous, if not more? Why would you want to go to a place where you would just end up in a detention center in horrible conditions?”
Limón Garza is also concerned that the attack on asylum at the southern border will open the door for broader attacks on asylum recipients in the U.S.: “It’s all interconnected.”
“We have to look around, look at our resources, and make a plan so it doesn’t go unchecked,” she said. “I don’t know what we’ll do yet, but we will respond.”
Fischer said that ending asylum would mean thrusting people back into the same danger they fled. Rather than trying to ban asylum, she said, the federal government should instead be building reception systems so that people who are arriving to seek safety have access to lawyers, social workers, and the resources they need to start putting down roots in their new communities, as well as more legal pathways to citizenship.
“I think as much as communities are really stepping up and stepping out to protect their immigrant friends and neighbors, it is really, really critical for the Trump administration to stop their mass deportation and mass detention machine and really turn a new lease on their treatment of people seeking safety in immigrant communities,” Fischer said.
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Victoria Valenzuela
Victoria Valenzuela is an independent journalist in California covering criminal justice, feminism and activism. She recently graduated from the University of Southern California with a master’s degree in specialized journalism with a focus on social justice and investigations. Her work has been published in The Guardian, BuzzFeed News, LAist, Bolts, ScheerPost and more. In the past, she has worked with The Marshall Project and the National Association of Hispanic Journalists. She has also held fellowships with ProPublica, the Law and Justice Journalism Project, and most recently was an Uprising Fellow with Justice Media.








